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12-06-2015, 11:39 AM
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Re: Vetting failure led to terrorism?
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12-06-2015, 01:31 PM
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Re: Vetting failure led to terrorism?
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Did ANYONE read the topic?
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Get real, this is AFF! lol
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12-06-2015, 01:39 PM
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Re: Vetting failure led to terrorism?
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12-06-2015, 04:33 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: Vetting failure led to terrorism?
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Originally Posted by Esaias
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Brother...wow. I watched this LIVE...the News choppers reported the body was several feet away from the car, as though he ran or was dragged. Your pictures don't show the body because they have it blocked out.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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12-06-2015, 04:36 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: Vetting failure led to terrorism?
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Originally Posted by Esaias
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Those aren't different locations. Those are different angles and times of day.
It's really sad to see intelligent people fall for these cut and paste jobs.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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12-06-2015, 08:04 PM
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Re: Vetting failure led to terrorism?
Praxeas, we don't know if she came to America radicalized or not. We don't know for sure.
I just read where the father of the husband said plainly that over time, his son came to agree with IS. Maybe he radicalized her. Maybe they radicalized each other.
However, I don't think anyone knows if this event was due in part to a vetting failure.
I say in part because even if there was a vetting failure, she could have chose to not do what she did. To make the statement, "the 14 victims in San Bernardino would be alive today if she was never let into our country in the first place," is impossible to prove or disprove.
With this logic, then we must blame the Bush Administration for 9-11, the Clinton Administration for the Embassy bombings in Tanzania and Nairobi, and Reagan for Beiruit.
There is ALWAYS something America could have done differently, always a tidbit of knowledge that could have been analyzed differently...
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12-06-2015, 08:08 PM
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Re: Vetting failure led to terrorism?
politics and religion--they go together 
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12-06-2015, 08:35 PM
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Re: Vetting failure led to terrorism?
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Originally Posted by FlamingZword
You are deeply mistaken for not all Apostolics are UPCI, what you are saying is irrelevant to me and to many other of us Apostolics who are not UPCI.
Me thinks you are confusing and mixing many different issues.  |
Who are the Apostolics that look at Trinitarians as their brothers and sisters in Christ and plan on worshipping God for an eternity right next to them?
Who are the Apostolics that teach and preach you must be born again of the water and the Spirit, but if you believe and confess, you're still saved?
Who are the Apostolics who believe that water baptism saves you and but you can be saved before you are baptized?
Who are these doctrinally inconsistent Apostolics?
You don't get it.
The very nature of 21st century American Apostolic doctrine condemns all others to hell because they are the only ones who present their form of the gospel.
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"The choices we make reveal the true nature of our character."
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12-06-2015, 09:22 PM
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Unvaxxed Pureblood too
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Re: Vetting failure led to terrorism?
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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson
The very nature of 21st century American Apostolic doctrine condemns all others to hell because they are the only ones who present their form of the gospel.
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I'm sorry, but JD, did you once attend First Pentecostal Gulag?
Dude why are you even here posting on an Apostolic forum if you hold such a low opinion of us and our churches?
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12-06-2015, 11:02 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: Vetting failure led to terrorism?
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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson
Praxeas, we don't know if she came to America radicalized or not. We don't know for sure.
I just read where the father of the husband said plainly that over time, his son came to agree with IS. Maybe he radicalized her. Maybe they radicalized each other.
However, I don't think anyone knows if this event was due in part to a vetting failure.
I say in part because even if there was a vetting failure, she could have chose to not do what she did. To make the statement, "the 14 victims in San Bernardino would be alive today if she was never let into our country in the first place," is impossible to prove or disprove.
With this logic, then we must blame the Bush Administration for 9-11, the Clinton Administration for the Embassy bombings in Tanzania and Nairobi, and Reagan for Beiruit.
There is ALWAYS something America could have done differently, always a tidbit of knowledge that could have been analyzed differently...
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whether she did or didn't is not the point...our vetting process has huge holes.
__________________
Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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