Love One Another and the Cross

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Originally Posted by shazeep

And yet you are dead, and even dress like you are at a funeral. You have become a lawyer, and have all of the proof, and none of the heart, when you decide that everyone must come to Christ through you, or be damned.

Come to God through Christ. Don't stumble at the cross. I'm not the door. He is. And it's all about the heart and its faith toward the work of God by the cross. Degrade me and demean me. Who cares? It's God I serve, not myself. It's God who need praise, not me.

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Originally Posted by shazeep

I am by no means suggesting salvation for those whose hearts have not changed. Obviously, anyone who declares All Muslims Are Lost sounds just like my next door neighbor--or the KKK, or most any politician. How are you any different? Because you have found some Scripture to "prove" your position? Drone-bombers do the same thing, and will tell you as much on this same forum. Heil.

Nothing to do with finding scripture to prove my position. You have it as backwards as you have good works before the cross, as though works lead us to God, in effect saving us. The truth is the scriptures were laid out to us and we read them and believed them and learned, without an agenda causing us to search for anything to support a predetermined plot, that without the cross everyone is lost. Not just muslims. You are lost, too, without the blood of Jesus. I would be as well. I did not look for that. No man could make that up and then create a desire to find it in the bible. The plan is revealed to us without any conception of what God might do, from His word. And we only relate what we found it said. The road is too narrow for salvation by works.

How is not loving our way toward God not salvation by works? Keep trying to make it about me. It's about God and His work of the cross.

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Originally Posted by shazeep

hey, plenty of ways to get to hell. Cry "Lord, Lord" and see if that works for salvation. Works will not save you. And faith without works is dead. If you are crying "Lord, Lord," and "only we have Jesus," in the same breath as "They are lost, who do not believe as we do," you are a hypocrite who is not judging by the fruit, and you are seeking division, like most everyone else.

You will meet strangers with fear. And not just Muslims. Fear will come out of your pores, and be evident in your posts. In the same way that you represent that your are fundamental, yet you have abandoned what was sufficient for them is how you believe Christ. Service with the lips. And you betray your position whenever you talk, so just keep talking, and it will become obvious again here in a minute.

This is what religion does. Satan needed some means to interfere with salvation; he needed to establish a stronghold, a kingdom, that claims to be the way to Christ. All it takes is for a group of guys to get together, and start codifying some rules and standards. Make an Establishment. Put up a Keep Out sign, basically, disguised as a Come On In sign. It is the Holy Spirit that will keep out.

It's not rules and regulations. It's the cross. It's the sacrifice of Christ in our stead. God looks upon HIS suffering and is satisfied WITH US. Salvation is by the blood of Jesus, and if there's anything satan hates it's the blood of the cross. There's no standards except believing in a faith that AFTERWARD causes fruit.

It has nothing to with ONLY WE HAVE JESUS. ANYONE has Jesus who obeys the Word of God. And if you think you can dispense with SOME of the word and get to heaven aside from the cross and the blood of Jesus you're as lost as anyone else who bypasses the cross and refuses to enter the door of Christ's death -- the door surrounded by blood for us to enter HIS DEATH. A bloodless doorway is no use at all when it comes to salvation from sin and death. It took the sacrifice and the blood of Jesus to make Him the doorway surrounded with blood. And I will keep repeating the need for the blood and the entrance to Christ through His death for as many times as you make it a bloodless pathway and a resurrectionless religion, and more.

While people try bypassing the blood and allowing folks into glory in their minds who make the denial John said causes one to be antichrist, and make void the Word by saying you have not responsibility to give a brother the benefit of the doubt as you do your neighbour and God, thereby defeating the while point of the command, and accommodate those who blaspheme the work of the cross, the word still stands as sure as ever that God looks for nothing buy the blood to pass over us and save us from death.

[Esaias]

When people reject the gospel, they oppose anyone who supports the gospel. 'How dare you judge me!' they say. And they do the very things they condemn in others.

But God will have the last word.

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Originally Posted by Esaias

When people reject the gospel, they oppose anyone who supports the gospel. 'How dare you judge me!' they say. And they do the very things they condemn in others.

But God will have the last word.

Amen....

As the true saying goes...

Gal 4:16 KJV Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Of course it leads to love God and man. It's the only way that leads there, too. You speak as though it is optional. You say go the route of Acts 2:38 if it leads you to love God and man, as if Acts 2:38 is an option. You quote scriptures that allegedly proves Jesus is not God. You hear moslems say Christians are lost and think nothing of it, but when Christians say moslems are lost you flip your wig. You say Moslems say Christ is a great messenger when satan doesn't mind anyone thinking that so long as they don't accept Him as Son of God which is the real deal toward salvation. You say anything to avoid the all importance of the cross. Like the cross is a huge stumblingstone. If you speak of the cross it is OUR crosses we bear and not HIS. When you refer to charity covering many sins, it is the one committing the chairty who is saving himself by works toward others, and not the sins of the one to whom charity is shown. All in efforts top avoid the cross. That pesky old stumblingstone known as the cross. To those who do not believe, by try by works, he is an offence. But to those who believe He is precious.

You focus on what we as people can know and not know when it comes to who is saved, by repeating your mantra that we simply group with those who SPEAK the same SPEAK we SPEAK, as if that is the truth of what we're saying, when all we focus on is BELIEF BELIEF BELIEF.... which is a heart function, not a mouth function. This BELIEF thing is the singlemost huge rock of offence there really is. And it is all to pat self on the back by saying MY WORKS REALLY DO SAVE ME. For, if the cross saves us, then my works are worth squat. So we cannot have the message of the blood and sacrifice of Christ. We cannot say He is Son of God.

ANd the big excuse is the ostrich's head in the sand that refuses to hear us when we say love to God and man is absolutely vital, BUT IT DOES NOT Ave. It's EASIER TO WADE IN THE DARKNESS OF unbelief and continue to say it is hatred to tell people they're lost, when in reality it's just repeating the command of Jesus to preach repentance in His name.

well, if you say the same things that the news says, you obviously have not repented, nor have you changed your mind. You have nothing to do with following Christ if this describes you. You are just posing, a wolf in sheep's clothing. Are you still actually clinging to some belief that a practicing Muslim would not be affronted by your proselytization, when you are offended when i tell you that you are lost, and it can be proven with Scripture?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

You can't grasp simple basic salvation and what God says. Circles.

i didn't ask your opinion, and you are the one most impressed by it. I mean, what am i supposed to say to this? Same to you, but more of it?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Come to God through Christ. Don't stumble at the cross. I'm not the door. He is. And it's all about the heart and its faith toward the work of God by the cross. Degrade me and demean me. Who cares? It's God I serve, not myself. It's God who need praise, not me.

it is satan you serve, if you think everyone who does not agree with you is lost. Check yourself.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Nothing to do with finding scripture to prove my position. You have it as backwards as you have good works before the cross, as though works lead us to God, in effect saving us. The truth is the scriptures were laid out to us and we read them and believed them and learned, without an agenda causing us to search for anything to support a predetermined plot, that without the cross everyone is lost. Not just muslims. You are lost, too, without the blood of Jesus. I would be as well. I did not look for that. No man could make that up and then create a desire to find it in the bible. The plan is revealed to us without any conception of what God might do, from His word. And we only relate what we found it said. The road is too narrow for salvation by works.

How is not loving our way toward God not salvation by works? Keep trying to make it about me. It's about God and His work of the cross.

to my mind, you are a proxy for OP here, but i admit that even many OPs would not go so far as to say that All of any group are lost--you did that on your own, i guess? I don't know. Justify yourself however you like. I don't mean this is a bad thing. If you are convinced that all Muslims are lost because of some Scripture, or because they did not answer correctly some inquiry, then be convinced in your own mind.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

It's not rules and regulations. It's the cross. It's the sacrifice of Christ in our stead. God looks upon HIS suffering and is satisfied WITH US. Salvation is by the blood of Jesus, and if there's anything satan hates it's the blood of the cross. There's no standards except believing in a faith that AFTERWARD causes fruit.

It has nothing to with ONLY WE HAVE JESUS. ANYONE has Jesus who obeys the Word of God. And if you think you can dispense with SOME of the word and get to heaven aside from the cross and the blood of Jesus you're as lost as anyone else who bypasses the cross and refuses to enter the door of Christ's death -- the door surrounded by blood for us to enter HIS DEATH. A bloodless doorway is no use at all when it comes to salvation from sin and death. It took the sacrifice and the blood of Jesus to make Him the doorway surrounded with blood. And I will keep repeating the need for the blood and the entrance to Christ through His death for as many times as you make it a bloodless pathway and a resurrectionless religion, and more.

While people try bypassing the blood and allowing folks into glory in their minds who make the denial John said causes one to be antichrist, and make void the Word by saying you have not responsibility to give a brother the benefit of the doubt as you do your neighbour and God, thereby defeating the while point of the command, and accommodate those who blaspheme the work of the cross, the word still stands as sure as ever that God looks for nothing buy the blood to pass over us and save us from death.

look, you cannot get away from "Many will cry 'Lord, Lord'" all saying exactly what you are saying. While it might be confusing for you, we are told in many ways that God does not judge like we judge, and that wolves go about in sheep's clothing. I understand that this is difficult for you, as every time you bring up a passage, suitably cut off to demonstrate your point, like the very next verse proves you to be a hypocrite, every time; i am sorry.

By all means, continue telling people that Acts 2:38 will save them, and they can lose it, but they can't gain it somehow. Tell them that Christ didn't really mean "love your neighbor" when He said "Love your neighbor." Show them the verses that have "proven" to you that not only every Muslim on the planet, but surely most professing Christians are lost. I don't care. I was suggesting how you might salvage OP, which let's admit is going down in flames, while you are fighting to put the match to it, apparently. Do it. My church is in great shape. Goodbye.