Numerical Growth Is Not A Sign Of Revival...

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Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

And yet when the flood receded, sin was still in the world. So I guess the world of sin was not destroyed. So what exactly did the water deliver Noah from again?

It delivered him from a world where everybody thought nothing but wickedness.

Genesis 6:5 KJV And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

And the water delivered Noah, which is what SAVED actually means. Whether Noah was righteous before the flood or not, the point remains WATER delivered Noah. So, in your theology, what did water deliver him from, if not what I refer to in Gen 6?

So how many entrances are there? The entrance of faith, the entrance of baptism and the entrance of infilling of the holy spirit. And of course if you are of the conservative mind set then you have the entrance of standards of holiness.

Entrance into HIS DEATH is what baptism is about.

So what I am seeing here is that the children of Abraham were not the children of Abraham while slaves in Egypt, because they had as yet not offered the Passover lamb to save their first born. Then of course they were not saved yet until the Red Sea crossing. And we could go on and on.

Fact remains we're baptized into Christ's death, and all the types in the Old Testament require a plain statement in the New that stands as it santitype.

Entrance saw destruction of the wicked.

Romans 6:6 KJV Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Colossians 2:11-12 KJV In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: (12) Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Today we do the same thing, your not save because you believe in the son of God and his kingdom, you must next be baptized, but then your still not saved unless you receive his spirit with evidence. Where does it end?

Nope. When we read baptism SAVES that means it's part of it. I'm only quoting bible. Nothing more. It is part of what DELIVERS. Without it something is missing.