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Old 02-01-2016, 08:26 AM
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Re: Love One Another and the Cross

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But to someone who believes the Bible is not written to deceive, but considers the distortion of the word an incidental result of dishonest hearts, the bible is something to learn from and gain our beliefs from. You spent over half your life, I think it was, with Muslims whom you've come to appreciate as anyone would. But you disregarded plain scripture that states denial of the Son of God is antichrist, and took the plain teaching of the Word and made it of none effect. You expose this by lack of willingness to actually talk about those scriptures.
it is not from lack of willingness, but lack of social context, which i hope i have made plain. The Muslim refusal of the iconography rampant in Constantine's church is taken to mean refusal of Christ by Christians looking to pick a fight, or legalistically insisting upon differences, when all that may be meant is "don't be praying to Mary." Or Christ, for that matter. "God has no Son" means something different to them than to you, and the Qur'an's declarations that one must follow Christ or be doomed demonstrate this. And i never said that the first Muslim had ever been "saved," anyway--i said that anyone declaring someone else "lost" lacks humility, and should be re-examining their own dogma, because they are hypocrites.
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There is no new truth for the last two thousand years since the New Covenant came into being. IN fact, it was n't really new then, either, just revealed from mystery.
you got that right--but it is still, apparently, a mystery to us whether Peter said that baptism is essential or not!
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I did. I showed you the bible saying people WERE saved, are being saved and will be saved. You never so much as acknowlewdged that proposition.
ah, must have missed that. Can you show me one now? I don't think you can.
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