Elephant in the room - accusation of judging

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

...And religion doesn't matter?

Can it get any more insane that saying religion doesn't matter when it comes to salvation? For those who think truth is arbitrary, no. But not to anyone else.

Um, well i never said truth was arbitrary, and boy do i have some news for you

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Um, well i never said truth was arbitrary, and boy do i have some news for you

Religion doesn't matter and you say truth is not arbitrary?

LOL

You want to ask questions? Then give scripture and ask about them. Or, nope. You thrive outside the bible with bible-less opinions,. But you run away from scripture.

Go ahead. Good Samaritan perhaps? "Be not deceived"? Come on and ask about scripture.

Ezekiel 3 is a good place to start! How about it?

[shazeep]

Jesus loves you, too, Mike, and i'm sorry i have been poking you so hard, but you are a good guy trapped in a really vicious dogma, and i hope you come to see that i just want you to read the Bible for yourself.

Religion doesn't matter when it comes to salvation, and if that is what you have gotten from Scripture then let me suggest that if you seek it you will find it, which sounds trite but surely you would agree that you are predisposed to not see this in your reading; it is you that must dispose yourself here. Read a version you have never read, maybe, even a weird one, that seems to help. Break the spell.

i mean, i could give you like 100 Scriptures that will tell you that your religion will not save you (just ask a Jew ), which is what i've been trying to do; but coming from me just won't be as good as some other route at this point, i guess.

Anyone else believe religion = salvation? You can surely get better perspectives than mine anyway.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Jesus loves you, too, Mike, and i'm sorry i have been poking you so hard, but you are a good guy trapped in a really vicious dogma, and i hope you come to see that i just want you to read the Bible for yourself.

Religion doesn't matter when it comes to salvation, and if that is what you have gotten from Scripture then let me suggest that if you seek it you will find it, which sounds trite but surely you would agree that you are predisposed to not see this in your reading; it is you that must dispose yourself here. Read a version you have never read, maybe, even a weird one, that seems to help. Break the spell.

i mean, i could give you like 100 Scriptures that will tell you that your religion will not save you (just ask a Jew ), which is what i've been trying to do; but coming from me just won't be as good as some other route at this point, i guess.

Anyone else believe religion = salvation? You can surely get better perspectives than mine anyway.

Religion is not salvation. Religion is a set of beliefs. You twist my words and intents. You won't have to apologize if you just stop taking what I say and assuming the worst. lol

I never said religion is salvation. You said religion does not matter. Religion is a set of beliefs. You are saying sets of beliefs do not matter. Unless religions is something else to you.

You have insulted me more than anyone on this forum. But I am not concerned over that. I am wanting to simply talk bible. I got my views from the bible. Many of them no one taught me because many of the scriptures no one talked about. I simply intensely studied the bible and learned these things, and sought out other teachers and had them help me with the same scriptures, and found we agreed! It's like what Paul did with the apostles in Galatians. It's what we all should do.

But give any excuse you want for not talking bible. It's open for any to join in and chime in with agreement or disagreement and discussion. It's the best way to chat. But you won't. Sir, you did not even know why Israel was said to not have mixed the word with faith after seeing miracles in Egypt, and you say I am predisposed to believing certain things? I guess it's all you've known and never met those many who actually got their teaching from the Word without any predisposition, causing them to change their beliefs. So you think everyone does that. Actual discussion of hte word allows you to point out what flawed predisposition is present if I have any, but you won't do it to even deal with that. I think I know why. Your words cannot stand actual biblical scrutiny. Not my scrutiny. Actual biblical scrutiny.

So see ya! Have a great day!

[shazeep]

well, if you are not saying that salvation depends upon finding the right religion then please restate that without all the drama, and we'll go from there. You insulted billions of people, and make it very difficult to claim being a Christian, so let's please just slog on ok

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

well, if you are not saying that salvation depends upon finding the right religion then please restate that without all the drama, and we'll go from there. You insulted billions of people, and make it very difficult to claim being a Christian, so let's please just slog on ok

The bible made that judgment not me. Why do you kill the messenger for relating the message given by the author?

Salvation depends upon believing the truth of the cross for righteousness apart from our good works. And you ask me to say what salvation depends upon after I've said that three dozen times to you? lol

But while you're still not talking bible, why do you think religion does not matter (not to say it saves) when religion is a set of beliefs about God that either agree with the Bible or not?

But again I'm not interested in your philosophizing. Let's talk WORD!!!!!!!!!!!

[Esaias]

Religion has become a bad word. But only to those who don't have any...

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Religion has become a bad word. But only to those who don't have any...

Right, Esaias,

James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.



Anyway, everyone, what about Ezekiel? I know it's WORD and pesky BIBLE, but the thread is about that in relation to accusations of judging.

Zeep, stop avoiding the elephant in the room!

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Religion has become a bad word. But only to those who don't have any...

i would say that religion is man's attempts to reach God, but even if your idea of religion differs you surely grasp from Scripture that it is not religion that determines your salvation.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

The reality is religion does not save, but false religion surely damns.

Sort of like works. Works don't save, but we need works or we lose salvation.

does anyone outside your sect of OP get saved or not, Mike.