IHOP - an eyewitness account

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I have seen the Pastor at our Freewill Baptist Church run the pews back in 1975.

But what is the new thing that's not in Acts and what is support for it in scripture? Oh right. it's new. not in scripture. The new thing always seems to be in violation of 1 cor 14's warning to not look like barbarians to the world who needs to be saved.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by mfblume

That is the sort of reasoning that allows for barking like dogs, fire tunnels, twitching like one has turrets, etc. and any new gimmick, like turning your head as fast as you can back and forth while prophesying. When you ask for verification in the Word they say it's not in the word. It's a new thing.

Leave that with Rick Joyner, Todd Bentley and the other charismaniacs. they can enjoy their adultery and behind the scenes sinning.

There's not a new dispensation today since Acts, and the new age movement is not something we can learn from despite the charismatic claims.

The "barking like Dogs" I have only seen personally in an old time Pentecostal Church I visited in the 70's. The other things I have never heard of. I hope you are not trying to apply them to IHOP.

I have seen many of their meetings and have never seen anything like you insinuate. So you chose the lyric of a song to try to bring up the same old preterist stuff like you do concerning everything?

But I agree with Misty that God does new things. They may not be new to Bible history but they may well be new to new generations who have not experienced them.

For instance God has not yet shaken everything that can be shaken in America. He has not yet turned the fierceness of his wrath upon America like he will. This will be new when cities are evaporated by atomic bombs.

It will be new when Christians are hunted down and killed in the streets. It will be new when creatures come out of the bottomless pit to torment people with the mark of the beast.

So yes new things will be happening. Not in concept....because light and darkness have always been at war. But the things that are still to come will be new to the people living when they happen.

So to argue about preterism from the lyric of a song will lead to picking apart ALL LYRICS of every song that has been written and used by believers. Wonder where that will lead?

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The "barking like Dogs" I have only seen personally in an old time Pentecostal Church I visited in the 70's. The other things I have never heard of. I hope you are not trying to apply them to IHOP.

The idea of a NEW THING is what these sorts of antics I've described stem from, whether or not IHOP did them. Same error.

I have seen many of their meetings and have never seen anything like you insinuate. So you chose the lyric of a song to try to bring up the same old preterist stuff like you do concerning everything?

Nothing to do with preterism. Wow you read preterism into everything I say.

But I agree with Misty that God does new things. They may not be new to Bible history but they may well be new to new generations who have not experienced them.

That's not what they mean when they say a new thing. Ask them.

For instance God has not yet shaken everything that can be shaken in America. He has not yet turned the fierceness of his wrath upon America like he will. This will be new when cities are evaporated by atomic bombs.

And you tell me I put my preterism into everything while you put futurism into it all.

It will be new when Christians are hunted down and killed in the streets. It will be new when creatures come out of the bottomless pit to torment people with the mark of the beast.

Now it's post trib in it all.

So yes new things will be happening. Not in concept....because light and darkness have always been at war. But the things that are still to come will be new to the people living when they happen.

So to argue about preterism from the lyric of a song will lead to picking apart ALL LYRICS of every song that has been written and used by believers. Wonder where that will lead?

I never meant preterism at all. I never even meant prophecy at all. I meant dispensation as in a new age distinct from the general run of the church since the cross.

This NEW THING idea they propose is that God is doing supernatural things in the church in a positive manner that were never done in the bible's history. A new age, so to speak. THAT is what I said we error. What on earth has referring to anew and distinct age got to do with preterism to even make me think of it? You insert post trib into conversations that have nothing to do with prophecy. I honestly never meant anything eschatological about my point.