Are you a Creationist?

[shazeep]

Such a view posits that past and future have objective existence...

i would say that observing the light from a star that is 10 million light-years away supports this, doesn't it?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

"Since time is related to space.... and God created both.... God is obviously transcendent of time..."

Time is not related to space,

I disagree. Marcus Chown covers this well in his book, The Quantum Zoo. You'll have to read it for the detailed explanation. But here's an excerpt.

"The General Theory of Relativity has changed the way we look at space and time. 'Space and time are ‘inextricably bound together.’ The Universe we see ‘out there’ is not a thing that extends in space but a thing that extends in space-time.” ~ Marcus Chown, The Quantum Zoo (Washington D.C.: Joseph Henry Press, 2006, p.103).

[votivesoul]

There is a difference between how one measures time, and time itself. We measure time as revolutions of the planet upon its axis as it orbits the Sun.

As such, thinking of the 4th day, we can say that the means whereby we, on earth, measure time didn't exist until then, but we cannot say that time, as a concept, didn't exist.

The very word "beginning" bespeaks of time, brethren.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

The very word "beginning" bespeaks of time, brethren.

Bingo!

[jfrog]

You can have time without the earth revolving around the sun. Kind of hard to have evening and morning though...

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I disagree. Marcus Chown covers this well in his book, The Quantum Zoo. You'll have to read it for the detailed explanation. But here's an excerpt.

"The General Theory of Relativity has changed the way we look at space and time. 'Space and time are ‘inextricably bound together.’ The Universe we see ‘out there’ is not a thing that extends in space but a thing that extends in space-time.” ~ Marcus Chown, The Quantum Zoo (Washington D.C.: Joseph Henry Press, 2006, p.103).

Can you summarize the evidence that time requires space?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by jfrog

You can have time without the earth revolving around the sun. Kind of hard to have evening and morning though...

There were, however, evening and morning prior to creation of the sun, moon, and stars. Therefore, evening and morning did not require any sun.

Furthermore, this indicates the earth does not, in fact, revolve around the sun, something that modern science has not and indeed cannot possibly prove. (In order to PROVE the earth goes around the sun, and not the other way around, would require an observer at zero motion - an impossibility in the modern heliocentric cosmology since all objects are in motion. An observer would have to be 'out in space' at literally ZERO motion and observe whether the earth is moving around the sun or vice versa. Since there is no such thing as truly being 'at rest' in the modern heliocentric cosmology, the heliocentrists cannot therefore actually prove heliocentrism. Which is why some heliocentrists have declared that heliocentrism is essentially a philosophical question of belief, rather than of observation.)

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Esaias

There were, however, evening and morning prior to creation of the sun, moon, and stars. Therefore, evening and morning did not require any sun.

Furthermore, this indicates the earth does not, in fact, revolve around the sun, something that modern science has not and indeed cannot possibly prove. (In order to PROVE the earth goes around the sun, and not the other way around, would require an observer at zero motion - an impossibility in the modern heliocentric cosmology since all objects are in motion. An observer would have to be 'out in space' at literally ZERO motion and observe whether the earth is moving around the sun or vice versa. Since there is no such thing as truly being 'at rest' in the modern heliocentric cosmology, the heliocentrists cannot therefore actually prove heliocentrism. Which is why some heliocentrists have declared that heliocentrism is essentially a philosophical question of belief, rather than of observation.)

1. Gravity. Less massive things revolve around really massive things. Unless you want to make the claim that you could say that earth revolves around the space station or that it cannot be proven that the space station revolves around earth. Kind of puts you in a tough situation on that one

2. The point I was making was that there was an evening and morning without the sun. That's historically impossible. Evening and Morning isn't historically understood as certain hours on a clock but the occurance of a certain event. It getting dark outside is evening. It getting light outside again is morning. The bible says that happened without the sun. Unless there was some miracle happening it didn't mention then its description of events is not possible.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Can you summarize the evidence that time requires space?

What does time measure?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by jfrog

1. Gravity. Less massive things revolve around really massive things. Unless you want to make the claim that you could say that earth revolves around the space station or that it cannot be proven that the space station revolves around earth. Kind of puts you in a tough situation on that one

The space station? What space station? The ISS? Objects in the upper atmosphere 'orbit' the earth by motion, and will eventually fall to the earth. Gravity has nothing to do with whether the earth is rotating around the sun or vice versa. By the way, gravity is something nobody understands, really. It is a 'force' that seems to operate cross infinite distance instantaneously, something that no branch of physics has properly and satisfactorily explained.

2. The point I was making was that there was an evening and morning without the sun. That's historically impossible. Evening and Morning isn't historically understood as certain hours on a clock but the occurance of a certain event. It getting dark outside is evening. It getting light outside again is morning. The bible says that happened without the sun. Unless there was some miracle happening it didn't mention then its description of events is not possible.

Not sure what you are saying? There was evening and morning for several days prior to the creation of the sun. That's Bible. Now, that certainly contradicts modern secular scientists' understanding of cosmology. To them, such a thing is absurd. But, 'the fool hath said in his heart there is no God' so what does that tell ya?