yes, i understand that, as you keep coming back to it, so to put my reply a different way this time, i don't believe you (or them) when you say that these people understand something that they are "holding in their heart," and you have no evidence that the phrase is not being used just like abra-cadabra, because faith without works is dead, as dead as saying "I believe the Golden Rule" while asserting that "Everyone is lost who does not believe like i do." The first statement is obviously lip-service when the second statement is seen to be from the heart.
With men this is impossible. With God all things are possible:
Note the difference in these two statements:
Rom 7:19....For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Php 4:13....I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
ya, but you have once again gratuitously chopped off my quote to imply that i am saying Christ is not necessary, when what i am saying is "follow Christ." Which, according to you, cannot be done, hence this circular discussion.