Steve Pixler Selling Cornerstone Church!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jason B

This whole post is nonsense and spin that would make the Clinton campaign blush.....

That's to be expected from you.

Like I said, one day we hope your cognitive dissonance will wear off.

We hope.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Here comes the love bombing from the side who is trying to prove brand X are bad. Within just a few key strokes of rebuking me you fly right into "good ole boys who are self righteous dinosaurs, who aren't even smart enough to drag themselves out of the tar pit. Physician heal thy self.

Sneer? Oh, but what you are doing now is righteous, pure, and justified because you are good, and we are bad.

Originally Posted by consapente89

In (as one poster put it) Steve's roadmap to apostasy he said

"Now, Jesus is going to show you who you are before him."

Elder Paul Price once said "God is going to make you exactly what you are before you die."

In other words...your real character is gonna be seen!

Regardless of what Steve has been...today he is an apostate preacher. A false teacher. A heretic. Period. That's not unkind...its just truth.

See the difference is that while some of us think that one theological system is in error, we either affirm our belief that those within that movement are true believers albeit mistaken, or at the very least, withhold judgment, leaving it all in God's hands. Whereas, the other side not only voices doctrinal differences, but RUSHES to judgment, heaping damnation and judging the hearts and motives of those who are fellow believers in Christ. But let's not allow facts to get in the way of emotions.

[Sister Alvear]

And my dear friend I too understand you and your protection. I really did not read the blog...and my deepest concern is for his children.

I am very tender hearted by nature....Perhaps you know me...I really do not know your identity.

I remember some years ago a preacher left our church...he had been so hard...through the years...told on others that he saw doing whatever...and in time our people came to almost hate him... then he made a mistake....I watched others rejoice...when he resigned...after he left I sat on the bench and wept...a few of our preachers came over and sat down beside me and said, Missionary, the trouble maker is gone...why are you crying... I said because I remember the nights he prayed for others...the long trips he made to visit distant works and the bricks he laid building churches...

I am very tender hearted....but I do know right from wrong...

Once a preacher split one of our churches and took most of the people...we had been so kind to him...yet because of one little thing he decided to go another way...(no, it was not doctrine) I deeply loved him and his wife and children....One day Brother Alvear called me and said where are you? I said helping Pastor so and so lay bricks to build his church....Brother Alvear said, there will only be one of you...yes...the man was building a church 2 blocks from ours! (that was probably 30 years ago or more) The other day I received such a sweet letter from his oldest daughter telling me I will always be her mother in the Lord. His church came to naught...but I have never felt sorry that I helped them and even took food to them!

I guess I will bare my soul to you....another time a group decided to leave and they called me to come over to their house...they got out a list of why they could not work with our work...I really said nothing....just got on the floor before them and asked them to pray for me (Brother Alvear was in the states) I knew their son wanted to be a "president" of a work....that was the real reason...power....Yet time makes differences if people seek the Lord...One day at a minister's retreat their son showed up and sat behind me...after the lesson the pastor gave was over the "president" came and hugged me and asked for forgiveness....he was no longer a smart alec but had learned quite a few lessons....Today we are best friends. When I was so sick both his wife and mother flew from south Brazil to visit me and pray for me.

So we all see through different eyes even though we might really agree...I just don't want to burn a bridge that someone might want to come back over.

An old dying preacher that had done us wrong more times than one and sold a church and put a couple lots in his own name...was dying....on his death bed he said these words to Brother Alvear and I, "Missionaries, I have done you wrong on many occasions...if you will forgive me I can die in peace...I have no way to make amends except say I am sorry....Brother Alvear and I knelt by his bed and told him he was forgiven....Missionaries, he said if you would not have forgiven me I would have had to take this to judgment with me....He died the next day....

I want to (not always do I have) a heart that can reach out..and yes I know some people go beyond God's mercies...

Would you kind folks pray for me?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jason B

See the difference is some of us think that one theological system is in error, either affirm our belief that those within that movement are true believers albeit mistaken, or at the very least, withhold judgment, leaving it all in God's hands. Whereas, the other side not only voices doctrinal differences, but RUSHES to judgment, heaping damnation and judging the hearts and motives of those who are fellow believers in Christ. But let's not allow facts to get in the way of emotions.

Withhold judgement? That's not what you do.

You get in such a rush to rip out a juggler vein that you didn't even take the time to figure out that Edward Bernays and Edward Anglin are two different people. Bro, maybe when you get older you'll figure it all out.

[Sister Alvear]

This is my calling....

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

This is my calling....

Sister Alvear, anyone ever leave your group and join Igreja Pentecostal Deus É Amor?

[Jason B]

I'll go ahead and answer some of this just for the sake of doing so...

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Bro? Personal with who? Was I personal? Then I'm a better guesser than I thought?

Come on and quit playing hapless victim. Yes you were personal. When you start making snide remarks about the physical looks of a mans family you are crossing the line. You could have said they have let their standards down, or some other verbiage. No father wants his daughters looks to be trashed by another grown man. If you can't see the inappropriateness of that then I'm not sure what to tell you.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Interestingly enough if you would check my postings over the years (not thinking you would) but if you did, you would find that is how I usually portray the ones who basking in their new found liberty.

I'm well aware. I know that you think myself, Charnock, Steve Pixler, and a great many more are lost and damned without hope, as is anyone who doesn't see things according to your paradigm. Folks with your viewpoint (the most outspoken representative on this board would be Steve Epley) not only condemn former oneness Pentecostals, but also those who still identify as oneness Pentecostals, but who have moved beyond the legalistic standards. The way ya'll shut people out of the Kingdom of God who may indeed be entering in reminds me of the words of Christ in Matthew 23:13.

Originally Posted by Jason B

But you good ole boys are holier than thou and in self righteousness point and sneer at everyone else. The phonyness of the ultra con love is always manifest when someone leaves their fold. You guys see it as standing for the old paths and uncompromising, everyone else sees it as emulations, jealousy, bitterness and hatred.

But? Yes, indeed, the good old "but" usually enlisted when you attempt to remove a brother's proverbial speck while flaming out your beamed up eyeball. Here comes the love bombing from the side who is trying to prove brand X are bad. Within just a few key strokes of rebuking me you fly right into "good ole boys who are self righteous dinosaurs, who aren't even smart enough to drag themselves out of the tar pit. Physician heal thy self.
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Is there a log in my eye? Perhaps. Certainly not an impossibility. However, you fail to distinguish between a rebuke based on doctrine and spirit vs personal rebuke. Is it ok for me to say that I believe your entire theological system is built like a house of cards on a handful of scriptures that must be specially interpreted to arrive at your movements unique interpretations and doesn't have a lick of sound exegetical or hermeneutical support? While at the same time, not condemning the whole lot of you all to burn in hell for all of eternity?

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Phoniness? So, I can determine that what you have posted in this post can be taken as honest to God agape love from you? Just instead of pointing out the nonsense of those who go native, you just do it the other way around. You just blow torch the ones left behind who dare to voice their opinion?

Yes phoniness. Here is the root of the problem. The LOVE of the ultra conservative holiness adherent is often times (NOT all times) a LOVE for the doctrine more than a love for God or people. And no strong love can be present without a hatred for the opposite. This hatred comes out against those who have left the beloved and adorned doctrine & identity.

And the defense of the hatred? The personal attacks? The curses and promises of eternal hell fire? "But, but, ya'll do it too!"

Not really. There are exceptions (DA for example), but mostly there is a tone of civility towards the people in that movement, even if there is a hostility against the doctrine. Most ex-oneness Pentecostals/ ex-ultra cons do not view all OPs as lost. But ya'll not only view all of us as lost, but seem to glory in it, as if it is a contest to see who can condemn the exes in the strongest terms. The more loudly someone proclaims "he's going to burn in hell" the bigger their badge of righteousness. The more frequent the pats on the back from the amen corner.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Withhold judgement? That's not what you do.

Brother, if you can find a single post. ONE where I condemn oneness people to hell. Those who keep standards, those who teach tithing, or any outspoken oneness Pentecostal preacher to hell or call them apostate, or insult their person, please post it. I've got 4,700 posts on here.

I judge your DOCTRINE to be in error. I judge it to be mistaken. Judging a doctrine and judging a person are two different things. I don't think you want to make the distinction because if you do the false narrative you are tying ot keep up crumbles.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

And my dear friend I too understand you and your protection. I really did not read the blog...and my deepest concern is for his children.

I am very tender hearted by nature....Perhaps you know me...I really do not know your identity.

I remember some years ago a preacher left our church...he had been so hard...through the years...told on others that he saw doing whatever...and in time our people came to almost hate him... then he made a mistake....I watched others rejoice...when he resigned...after he left I sat on the bench and wept...a few of our preachers came over and sat down beside me and said, Missionary, the trouble maker is gone...why are you crying... I said because I remember the nights he prayed for others...the long trips he made to visit distant works and the bricks he laid building churches...

I am very tender hearted....but I do know right from wrong...

Once a preacher split one of our churches and took most of the people...we had been so kind to him...yet because of one little thing he decided to go another way...(no, it was not doctrine) I deeply loved him and his wife and children....One day Brother Alvear called me and said where are you? I said helping Pastor so and so lay bricks to build his church....Brother Alvear said, there will only be one of you...yes...the man was building a church 2 blocks from ours! (that was probably 30 years ago or more) The other day I received such a sweet letter from his oldest daughter telling me I will always be her mother in the Lord. His church came to naught...but I have never felt sorry that I helped them and even took food to them!

I guess I will bare my soul to you....another time a group decided to leave and they called me to come over to their house...they got out a list of why they could not work with our work...I really said nothing....just got on the floor before them and asked them to pray for me (Brother Alvear was in the states) I knew their son wanted to be a "president" of a work....that was the real reason...power....Yet time makes differences if people seek the Lord...One day at a minister's retreat their son showed up and sat behind me...after the lesson the pastor gave was over the "president" came and hugged me and asked for forgiveness....he was no longer a smart alec but had learned quite a few lessons....Today we are best friends. When I was so sick both his wife and mother flew from south Brazil to visit me and pray for me.

So we all see through different eyes even though we might really agree...I just don't want to burn a bridge that someone might want to come back over.

An old dying preacher that had done us wrong more times than one and sold a church and put a couple lots in his own name...was dying....on his death bed he said these words to Brother Alvear and I, "Missionaries, I have done you wrong on many occasions...if you will forgive me I can die in peace...I have no way to make amends except say I am sorry....Brother Alvear and I knelt by his bed and told him he was forgiven....Missionaries, he said if you would not have forgiven me I would have had to take this to judgment with me....He died the next day....

I want to (not always do I have) a heart that can reach out..and yes I know some people go beyond God's mercies...

Would you kind folks pray for me?

One of the reasons I don't condemn all oneness people. On the contrary I have defended them before people like James White and John MacArthur. Sister you are an inspiration.

I know from experience there are not only sincere people within the oneness Pentecostal movement, but many true Christians in my opinion. That said it is strange that when you leave the meanest people are often preachers.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jason B

I'll go ahead and answer some of this just for the sake of doing so...

Still wanting to feign civility? Sorry, but you are hotter than Texas tarmac. Therefore you can't leave it alone.

Originally Posted by Jason B

Come on and quit playing hapless victim.

Isn't that what your doing? Edward Bernays would be proud.

Originally Posted by Jason B

Yes you were personal. When you start making snide remarks about the physical looks of a mans family you are crossing the line.

I clarified this, but this is your only justification so far so you need to massage it some more?

Originally Posted by Jason B

You could have said they have let their standards down, or some other verbiage. No father wants his daughters looks to be trashed by another grown man. If you can't see the inappropriateness of that then I'm not sure what to tell you.

Keep playing it Jason.

Originally Posted by Jason B

I'm well aware.

Sadly no.

Originally Posted by Jason B

I know that you think myself, Charnock, Steve Pixler, and a great many more are lost and damned without hope, as is anyone who doesn't see things according to your paradigm.

No, that's what you think about Ultra Conservative Pentecostals. Also Edward (not Bernays) has more issues than his religion.

Originally Posted by Jason B

Folks with your viewpoint (the most outspoken representative on this board would be Steve Epley) not only condemn former oneness Pentecostals, but also those who still identify as oneness Pentecostals, but who have moved beyond the legalistic standards. The way ya'll shut people out of the Kingdom of God who may indeed be entering in reminds me of the words of Christ in Matthew 23:13.

There you go, more of the blessedness of your love.

Jason you should of left it alone.

Originally Posted by Jason B

Is there a log in my eye? Perhaps.

So, there you have it folks, he is just going to soldier on no matter what.

Too funny.

Originally Posted by Jason B

Certainly not an impossibility.

Well, are you even saved? How much of this are you so unsure of before you leap in and try to save the day? I mean honestly, who are you to correct me if you don't even know if you are looking through a set of eyeballs clearly?

Originally Posted by Jason B

However, you fail to distinguish between a rebuke based on doctrine and spirit vs personal rebuke. Is it ok for me to say that I believe your entire theological system is built like a house of cards on a handful of scriptures that must be specially interpreted to arrive at your movements unique interpretations and doesn't have a lick of sound exegetical or hermeneutical support? While at the same time, not condemning the whole lot of you all to burn in hell for all of eternity?

I guess that removes you from being the watchman on the wall. Because when the sword is coming you just believe it does no harm to the victim.
Jason you are confused.

Originally Posted by Jason B

Yes phoniness. Here is the root of the problem. The LOVE of the ultra conservative holiness adherent is often times (NOT all times) a LOVE for the doctrine more than a love for God or people.

You just can't bring yourself to calling a spade a spade after I tagged your lack of brotherly kindness in the rebuttal to my first post? Not all the time, means that it may be some times or less. Therefore your accusation of criminal behavior of these people are unfounded. But the truth is that you are just a disgruntled ex member who wants to keep the fight hot. Right Jason?

Originally Posted by Jason B

And no strong love can be present without a hatred for the opposite. This hatred comes out against those who have left the beloved and adorned doctrine & identity.

And therefore your hatred comes out for those who stayed behind. Remember they didn't choose wisely? How funny.

Originally Posted by Jason B

And the defense of the hatred? The personal attacks? The curses and promises of eternal hell fire? "But, but, ya'll do it too!"

No Jason, the real quote is that you do it more.

Originally Posted by Jason B

Not really. There are exceptions (DA for example), but mostly there is a tone of civility towards the people in that movement, even if there is a hostility against the doctrine. Most ex-oneness Pentecostals/ ex-ultra cons do not view all OPs as lost. But ya'll not only view all of us as lost, but seem to glory in it, as if it is a contest to see who can condemn the exes in the strongest terms. The more loudly someone proclaims "he's going to burn in hell" the bigger their badge of righteousness. The more frequent the pats on the back from the amen corner.

Jason, who's playing the victim?

It amazes me just how much pyschological projecting is found in this culture.
But like I said, maybe one day your cognitive dissonance will wear off or wear out. We can only hope.