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Originally Posted by mfblume
Noah, Job and Abram were before Sinaitic Law. So, these examples of inability or ability to keep Law can';t really be applicable. And a command to Abram to walk blamelessly doesn't necessarily mean Abram could do so.
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I understand, yet we do have a righteous God telling His follower to do something. This isn't a suggestion made by God, but a clear command. We can't really say that God was telling His follower to do something which God knew His follower would be unable to perform. That would then introduce other issues which now call God into question.
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Originally Posted by mfblume
And of course all of this must be taken into consideration with what the New testament teaches. So, if carnal man cannot keep law because law is spiritual, I cannot see how it doesn't still stand that no one could keep law before the new covenant.
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Psalm 15:2 David asks a question in a song, and answers that question with the words "those who lead blameless lives and do what is right, speaking the truth from sincere hearts." Again, these items were the schoolmaster taking the small immature child on his or her journey to the Cross. All needed the Lamb of God who really did take away the sin of the World, Judean and Roman. Some Judeans couldn't figure it out because they believed the only way for a Roman to partake in the Passover was for that Greek to become PHYSICALLY circumcised and keep all the traditions plus Torah. Yet, they were to be reminded in
Romans 3 that all were under the same penalty.
Romans 3:25 shows how Jesus is the the real Passover! Just like the lamb in Egypt where Israeli and proselyte both were saved by the the blood on the lintel. I also want to note that it was only elders who applied the blood to the doorpost
Exodus 12:21-22. In the same way it is elders who baptize new converts in Jesus name. Oh, another thing, I would like to also qualify my statement concerning both Israeli and proselyte (converted Gentiles) being saved together,
Exodus 12:38 states that other peoples or a mixed multitude came out from Egypt, also
Exodus 12:46.
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Originally Posted by mfblume
By far that is the most impacting verse in relation to this issue. Bravo!
Now, we know they were not actually righteous by their obedience, since Law stated none are righteous, and it was written to Jews under law as these folks were under law. So we know there is no contradiction. Therefore, what is the answer? Paul stated law was ordained to life but he found it to be unto death. They were righteous in the eyes of God. Righteousness cannot come from law keeping.
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Again we have God giving commands in
Deuteronomy 5:33 that person must practice all the degrees which the LORD God had ordered them. This also had a conclusion which the practitioner of God's degrees would then be rewarded. Rewarded how? That they might live and that all would be well with them. Also an insurance their days would be prolonged in the land which they were conquering. Now, again should we take this command from a righteous God to be fruitless words given to a group where 100% of the listeners would drop the watermelon and fail to do anything He instructs? God commands already knowing full well that what He is telling them to do can never be carried out by anyone? Not even His remnant? Which after all that is why they are the remnant because they were the only ones to even care about following Him.
Righteousness in the sight of God, is just that. God giving you the label instead of you taking that label. Zechariah and Elizabeth are said to be one, blameless, and two righteous in God's point of view. You see, it wasn't about a religious practice, but a desire, a love, which makes the religious practice a by product, or should I say a fruit? So, those who wanted to enter into the land and keep it, had to TRUST GOD. Zechariah had to TRUST GOD, Elizabeth had to TRUST GOD which produced righteousness at the time of the Cross.
Remember Abraham TRUSTED GOD and it was CREDITED to him righteousness because of his faith. Those who would enter into the land had to trust God through faith, like Joshua, and Caleb. Yet, even going into the land and staying there until death, really wasn't what they were wanting. But actually the Messianic promise of the Lamb of God who would finally take away their sins, and then the righteousness would be imputed.
Philippians 3:9, 2 Corinthians 5:21, and the topper being
Galatians 2:16!