The Bible is not the Word

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Many people might say they pay more attention to Jesus than the apostles.

yes, and many people have no problems with hippies, either, Mike.

Originally Posted by mfblume

• One person told me they heard a minister say he wasn’t going to preach from the epistles any more, because he’d rather go straight to what Jesus said alone.
• But to go by what Jesus said is to believe the way the apostles told us to believe on Him!

mmmkay, works for me fine. do it. i don't believe it, myself, but then i know better about where babies come from than a 4 year old, and i am not here to convince any 4 year olds about sex and uteruses and after birth, what would be the point. So, i do notice though, the progression in your quote here, from "this guy is going straight to the hippy," to "he should be going to someone else," there it is, right there, in your words, your breath, and i don't know yet, but why do i already know what is coming lol, we are going to just be going lower, and lower, here, huh, until where you finish down there is going to be in this next sentence, let's see if we can equate the two;

"Anyone who does not believe that the Apostles Books are Word is condemned."

Originally Posted by mfblume

We cannot ignore what the apostles said if we want to believe on Jesus.
• You are actually disobeying Jesus Christ if we do.

He also said He sent them into the world as the Father sent Jesus into the world.
• How serious must Jesus be about the world hearing what the apostles had to say for Him to say He sent them in just the same level of importance that the Father sent Him?

John 17:17-19 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. (18) As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. (19) And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

Look at how he even sanctified Himself for THEIR SAKES!
• He prayed for them to be sanctified!
• And then Sanctified Himself for their sakes!
• He puts their word on the same level as His own word when he sent them into the world as the father sent Him to the world.

If Jesus prayed for them to be sanctified through truth, then THEY COULD NOT FAIL in their ministries. He put the seal of approval here on all they later wrote.

Do you believe the3 Father answered this prayer of Jesus?

doesn't matter what i believe here Mike, it matters what you believe. Do i believe that the Apostles all were sanctified with Truth though? No, i don't. Prolly just the same way that you say, but do not believe, that all might be saved because Father said that, too. That was His will. So, we even have a record of Apostle's ministry gone bad, whaddya know, apparently their Free Will is not somehow abrogated, and they are apparently not Vulcan Mind-Melded to Christ in the manner you suggest. So, you can say that is true, and you are fine ok because it will be understood in context--sooner or later--but i cannot say that, because Judas, and that big, fat hairy conundrum that stares us in the face there, every time, every day that we do not get that, or gloss over it, maybe just blink as you go by, whatever. It is there, waiting for you, in the Book, whenever you are ready for it, k.
But don't even worry about that now,
that is for someone else, right now.

As for the rest of them, sure i believe they pretty much all...exercised their Free Will, Mike. I notice we don't have 12 "Gospels," though, do we. Don't you think for your thing to be true, that thing would be true, too?

i mean, so what, God's Word, through the Apostles, is just
getting dropped and forgotten, huh,
like...trampled on
maybe, ok



You can read water or wine, Mike.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

1 Corinthians 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

a big amen. i acknowledge. now, whether anyone reads them right is on them. And if they let some guy in a tie who worships a snake on a pole tell them what those words have to mean, what they must mean--because after all reading the Book is kinda hard, huh--well, then, i think they are getting just what they need, especially if they are giving the guy money to live on for telling them all that. Bless them. God is good; and everyone gets fed what they need. You don't fertilize a brand new shoot, either, don't know if you know that or not.

Originally Posted by mfblume

THE BIBLE IS THE WORD OF GOD.

now who's crying wolf
the Book is not the Word, and you have found some Great Passages--i love them, they are good ones--
about words, that you are conflating now with Word, the Breath of God in Christ. Your proof is in the Book, too, in the Lex, everywhere

Originally Posted by mfblume

The spirit of antichrist has hated the Word made flesh as much as it hated the Word made writing. Same spirit. And men have caught that spirit, and now there are many antichrists. To deny the written word as the word of God is to wrest and pervert the intention of what the written word says.

except Word cannot be written, dang. Because then Word becomes Law. It gets taken from here, the breath, Now, and applied over there, where it is applied blindly, as Law. It is not Word anymore, i don't care if it came straight from the Mouth of God, buddy. Let me put that another way; To worship a brass snake on a pole now just because it was provided at the time in the wilderness for your father is to miss the point. It misses several points, actually, i could name several; 1) you were not there 2) none of the people that got saved by looking, at the snake, made it to the Promised Land, not a single one of them, 3) you are ignoring your present, and must be bowing to this thing because you have some symptom, and are demonstrating that God's Way is not what you want to do...i could go on; their are about 5 other parallels i can think of right now, that would just offend you, if i haven't already, prolly i have, which i apologize ok. Which does not mean that i think the Book is not essential, actually It is essential precisely because these lessons are in It ok. Go, read as much water as you need, but search for the wine. You'll know you have found the distilled stuff when the words leap off the page at you.

So hear, you want to make Book into Word, i have a good verse for you on that;
58“If you are not careful to obey all the words of this law, which are written in this scroll, by •fearing this glorious and awesome name — Yahweh, your God — 59He will bring extraordinary plagues on you and your descendants, severe and lasting plagues, and terrible and chronic sicknesses.

kind of...quickens a person, too, huh? Sure, the dog runs the other way, and the kids are all sceered-looking now, but there it is. go with what ya know, Mike.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

all the words of the LORD, which he had spoken unto him, upon a roll of a book.

I'm curious, if the Book is the Word, why even have the word "book?" See, here's what's happening. Follow the story. You got Word, and then you got words in books, all through the narrative. You got, what 5 thousand words, you wrote here last night, and i got close to that many in reply--pretending i got no copy/paste, which makes the last statement into "a lie" all of the sudden, to the wrong ear, but whatever, never mind--but what you don't have, that i know you won't find, no matter how hard you look, is any refute to those statements i made earlier, or any direct connection to Father and Book, either, like you want to find.


See, you want "The Book is God" to be true. You want it real bad, but it is not in there; it is not Word.

In principle was Word, and Word was with God, and the Word was God

should have put paid to this arg days ago, ok, and i see now that it is not your responsibility, it is mine, to reassure you that what you believe about that Law up there is fine, and i am glad you believe It ok, there is nothing wrong with it for you. Continue to proclaim it to all you meet, however you understand it, that is a good thing, as long as you are being sincere. I would never want to suppress this, because it tells people where your heart is, and there is nothing wrong with that ok.

Have a good day.

[YounginHope]

The Spirit of God is the Word. The bible is Gods words given to man through His Spirit. His Spirit was made flesh and dwelt among us. This is still occurring, btw, hopefully. As Christ is being manifest, in us...to the world. Yet we add no pages to the bible.

[shazeep]

Word.

Creation is continuous, and never stops.

[YounginHope]

I know. "Hopefully" was TiC.

[shazeep]

Hey, seems to line up nicely, that hopefully, imo.

...that all mightcome to rebound ("repent").

you can hope all you like; pray all you like, for that mango tree mom planted in the complete shade, in the back yard, to produce fruit. pretty sure she is even speaking the word over it. We'll see what happens, i'll keep you posted there

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by YounginHope

The Spirit of God is the Word. The bible is Gods words given to man through His Spirit. His Spirit was made flesh and dwelt among us. This is still occurring, btw, hopefully. As Christ is being manifest, in us...to the world. Yet we add no pages to the bible.

Amen.

God's Word is in several forms and nothing the Spirit says to us apart from His written will add anything the written word has not stated, In fact the written word is extremely important because we need a standard. What the Spirit spoke to Paul was confirmed by Paul in going to the apostles and comparing notes. He said they were in agreement. Same with us. The only difference is Paul was joined to the apostles and wrote the Word of God for us as well. Peter confirmed that.

So, the Spirit still speaks to us as well. But lest we insert our flesh into the fray, we must confirm it with the apostles' writings and sayings of Christ in the gospels. The Spirit will speak about Christ and add nothing to what He says to us that is not already written in the written form of the Word about Christ. And the Spirit speaking to us in the here and now is vital since we have personal issues that can only be dealt with in that way.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

doesn't matter what i believe here Mike, it matters what you believe.

I'm not talking to you, S. It's hypothetical to all readers.

And I never came to the bible with a preconceived religion, but rather got my faith FROM the bible. I really want to know what the bible says without preconceived notions. That's the difference between me and you. Again, you cried wolf, and I'll not waste the time.

[shazeep]

See how "words" become conflate with Word, the same way your water--the water you drink, i mean--becomes conflated with real water, i mean who here knows anything about 'hydrogen uptake angle,' besides me, i mean, and corrupting water with...poisons, chlorine, rat poison, etc lol. Almost nobody.