Physical pain, Spiritual gain

[YounginHope]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

We cannot understand or know the mind of the Lord and what He chooses to use in our lives to bring us to a closer relationship with him. My husband does not like meds either, so I understand. Praise God for the healing that you received, even if for a time. I will be in prayer for you too... that the Lord will make known to you exactly the purpose He has in mind for all you've been through. Yes indeed we can praise God for His grace that is always sufficient.

Thank you.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by allstate1

So is it spiritual or physical in your opinion?

i have to believe spiritual, but i sure could not see it. And it's not like we had so close a relationship that i was blinded to their faults or anything, i was living in sin with their mother, pretty sure they just tolerated me, but they never evinced any judgement. Racking my brain to suggest some reason, these were 18 year old Cali girls (even if they did go to their unchurched parents at a quite young age, like 6 or 7, and ask to be taken to church; have you ever even heard of such a thing?), and they were intent on...the things 18 year old girls should be intent on, seemed to me; finding a Godly husband to set up house with, etc, but maybe a little too attached to...human security? trusting in Mammon? successful husbands, nice houses, and insurance? but i am totally guessing, and applying my standards to them as well.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

I found out a few years ago that I had what is called a "SLAP" tear in my right shoulder and that the only way my right arm was going to work properly again was to have surgery.

I summoned the elders who anointed me in the name of the Lord. I lifted my hands in prayer. The Holy Spirit descended like a dove, and the voice of the Most High, as it were, came to me ever so sweetly and as it were, said "I'm going to heal your attitude..."

ha, so weird to read this right after. These are people being baptized with fire, they are in a crucible, and have Paul's thorn, imo. Just guessing, but i bet these are never...wasting diseases, like cancer, gout, diabetes etc. They are prolly always like, well, thorns, things you can't really ascribe a cause to. (And i am somewhat gifted at discerning causes of symptoms)

[shazeep]

you are two men in a bed.
one will be taken, and the other left.
and yours is getting up now, perhaps

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by allstate1

So is it spiritual or physical in your opinion?

so, yes.

[FlamingZword]

Physical pain is not good, if it was a good thing, then we should start praying that we would get sick and get horrible painful diseases.

If pain was a good thing, then Jesus did a bad thing in healing so many people of their diseases.

No I repeat, pain is not a good thing.

You do not need to be in physical excruciating pain in order to get spiritual gain; that is nonsense.
If we got spiritual gain thru physical pain, then heaven would be a torture chamber.

I repeat for the third time, no pain is not a good thing.

[shazeep]

Yes, i agree; but humility is. Some people, obviously, need a thorn to teach them a lesson in Grace. Does everyone get a thorn? I certainly have no idea. Why did Paul get a thorn? Why was he in pain, if what you say is strictly true, all of the time?

Knowledge brings pride, and i don't know anyone who is immune from that. that is a hard thing to overcome, harder in some than in others, i guess.

But yes, i agree, chronic pain, that a cause cannot be found for? Is different from "My hip is killing me; but then, i drive long-haul, too."
So if one cannot find the source of their pain, they should heed the signal; some change is obviously being suggested. Some change that the person does not want to face.

[YounginHope]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Physical pain is not good, if it was a good thing, then we should start praying that we would get sick and get horrible painful diseases.

If pain was a good thing, then Jesus did a bad thing in healing so many people of their diseases.

No I repeat, pain is not a good thing.

You do not need to be in physical excruciating pain in order to get spiritual gain; that is nonsense.
If we got spiritual gain thru physical pain, then heaven would be a torture chamber.

I repeat for the third time, no pain is not a good thing.

Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

To me the pain endured brought about change. Change that I needed and likely would not have made under any other circumstances.

[shazeep]

What kind of change? Primarily? Ty

[YounginHope]

Primarily that His Will Be Done looks differently to me now.

I am just not able to put into words with enough emphasis to explain the change that's made in me. We go through life claiming to seek His Will when usually we find ourselves petitioning for our own.