UPCI Mega Churches???

[Barb]

Originally Posted by GodIsGreat

The Rock Church runs about 700-1000 on a good Sunday night. I believe that higher number is all the other works combined.

What I find funny is some of the saints of TRC, feel that The Rock Church is in direct competition with Pastor Holmes Church.

The truth is that The Rock Church is known for their leadership, while Pastor Holmes church is known for prayer.

The spirit of prayer bleeds through Pastor Holmes when he preaches.

Wilson and Young seem to think that they will win their city by having a church full of people with degrees. Both of them have said this over the pulpit. I was shocked!

I always thought that cities were won through a apostolic church where God IS in the driver seat (not by words but really in the driver seat), not by impressing a sin sick city with how "smart" their saints are by showing off a bunch of degrees.

Originally Posted by GodIsGreat

No. "An ax to grind" is pretty heavy, so no.

What I stated is very true. When you have a preacher who feel free to utterly bash and make fun of other apostolic schools in comparison to AST to someone (me) within minutes of just meeting me.

When you began to hear things come over the pulpit as "the way to go" or as okay, when they were once preached (and still is being preached against) ... homosexuals being tolorated as music directors, and their sin being justified in exchange for their talent ...

I can go on and on. It gets very old. However, we (saints) have been trained to sit down and shut up.

An ax to grind?

No. Pretty sick of the carnality, ungodly personalities, bold hypocrisy, high mindedness etc.. Yes.

Originally Posted by GodIsGreat

Barb, will you please tell me how to provide "proof" of church history a decade plus old?

TRC doesn't hand out membership cards. Do you have any bright ideas on how I can provide you proof that I attend TRC?

Lastly. I won't provide the name of the music director who ran the church music at TRC for a few years. According to a reliable source, their were more before him.

Simply go back into TRC's history. Find out who the music director was ... check on him now.

He was a homosexual then.

This is not uncommon in Apostolic churches.

Sir, I was not asking for proof of your church membership. I was asking for proof to the post cited here.

In case you are wondering why I am laying your feet to the fire, let me share MY history with you...

Bro. Wilson was my pastor here in Michigan. Even as a young man, NJW was a man of strong character and integrity. I loved and respected his leadership, and do so today.

Do I think he walks on water? No! There are a few incidentals where he and I disagree, but I NEVER, not for one second, then or now doubted his deep sincerity and love for the lost.

Re degrees...Bishop Wilson has always encouraged education, but NEVER at the expense of truth and evangelism. If that is what you have gleaned from your time in his presence, you have missed much.

As for the unnamed musical director...no need to do so. I know his name. HOWEVER, if you think that was known AND tolerated, you are GREATLY mistaken!!! NJW would NEVER knowingly allow that to happen...NEVER!!

No disrespect here, but I don't give a rolling donut how long you were or have been a member of the TRC...coming here with your definite ax to grind with Bishop Wilson and Bro. Young is mighty low.

All of this leads me to ask: Why? What brings you here to accuse men of God of such things?

Did they not shake your hand one Sunday evening? Did Bishop or Bro. Young stop you in your tracks over a misdeed? Did they not move swift enough in the case of the aforementioned situation from back in the day? Did they deliver a Word from the Lord, and you took it personally as an attack?

What is up?

Here's the deal... this "cowgirl" has a suggestion...give them a call. Be as open and upfront with the elders, in the same manner you have here. Give them a list of your grips. Tell them they are arrogant snobs, because that is what you really think, right? Tell them you think they tolerated homosexuality for the sake of music...oh I would LOVE to hear their answer to that!!

Please, do it up right. Let these two fine men of God confront their accuser, and get back with us...when you can.