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Old 04-27-2017, 02:42 PM
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Re: It's Your Fault People Are Homosexual

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There is that sense of sin, but there is still the biblical's use of the force of sin. These verses prove it (there is not way to look at SIN in these verses as simply a transgression of the law):

Romans 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

Romans 6:12-14 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. (13) Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. (14) For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Romans 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

Romans 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

Romans 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

Romans 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

Romans 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.


Incorrect.

Paul said there is an alternative to the force of sin ruling our lives. Taht's the whole point of the chapter.



"FOR THAT ALL HAVE SINNED" may mean "because in that sense all have sinned."



It says far more than that! It says there is a force of sin Paul was unable to resist, and he said it was the reason he could not do the good things he willed to do. He blamed it on sin and NOT HIMSELF. That is the reason he speaks of TWO WAYS to serve God. Oldness of letter (which is futile since the force of sin will have the sway) or newness of Spirit. newness of Spirit is where the Spirit is empowering us to overcome the force of sin. How else can SIN slay Paul, and Paul say it was not him that was the problem but SIN that dwelled in him?

Romans 7 is applicable to anyone, even saved people, who do nto know how to rely on the empowerment of the Spirit. Gal 5 proves it! Gal 5 says the same thing and speaks ot born again people:
Galatians 5:16-18 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. (17) For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. (18) But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Compared to:

Romans 7:15-20 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. (16) If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. (17) Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. (18) For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. (19) For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. (20) Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.


No. Regeneration is the means by which we get the Spirit in us that CAN overcome that force. But we have to consciously in faith lean on the Spirit of God in us so we can cooperate it with it when it starts to empower us. Ro 6:13 is how we do that. MOST ALL believers never learn this.



It is that, PLUS MORE... it is also a force in context of passages that speak of it in that manner. See my list above.
Short on time, but a quick look makes me think you actually proved one of my points here.

Paul speaks of a LAW of sin, not a FORCE. Moreover, he clearly stated in ch 6 that bondage to sin begins with a voluntary act of the individual.

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