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Originally Posted by mfblume
The only death that did not exist before sin was with man, not plants and animals. JW's promoted the plants and animals with no death and it caught on. Those cartoony pulp booklets really work!
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I disagree. Your view is wrought with textual problems.
First, you say that only mans death didn't exist before sin, but on what basis? Not the text, because
Genesis 1 puts the creation of animal and human life on the same day.
Genesis 1:24-31
Second, if you have animal death for thousands, millions, or billions of years, you have the problem that God said He gave EVERY beast the green herb as food on the day He created them,
Genesis 1:30
Third, God looked His creation and claimed it was very good. (
Gen 1:31). Your theory proposes death, carnage, catastrophe (ice age), and disease all before day 6.
Fourth, and a bigger problem, is your view limits death to mans death, whereas the scripture plainly teaches all of the creation was negatively affected by Adam's sin and the resulting curse:
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: CURSED IS THE GROUND FOR THY SAKE; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
Genesis 3:17?-?18 KJV
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Romans 5:12 KJV
For all creation is waiting eagerly for that future day when God will reveal who his children really are. Against its will, all creation was subjected to God's curse. But with eager hope, the creation looks forward to the day when it will join God's children in glorious freedom from death and decay.
Romans 8:19?-?21 NLT
Fifth, your time frame, which has animals existing millions of years before man, when God created them all on day 6.
Has nothing to do with "cartoony booklets"
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Originally Posted by mfblume
Doesn't mean aninals did not die, though.
And Isaiah's reference is not the literal animals, I believe. It's Jew (clean) and Gentile (unclean).
Look at all the pairs of animals and notice they're a clean and unclean together.
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Animals did die....after the curse.
I think you're reading into Isaiah a weird allegorical interpretation, but thats your prerogative.
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