Do you think Revelations is enigmatic?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Brother Burk, isn't there a group who believe that their inner man is saved, but their outer man is full sin and can't stop?

They don't believe in any such thing as an outer man. They believe in man bring trichotomy:

Body, the physical, biological aspect of man. It is governed by genetics, hormones, and craves fullness, comfort, and pleasures. It isn't YOU. It's a living shell. It's sinful inclinations are inherent, and are not you. In fact, you battle it's desires more than you do Satan. The flesh is truly your most formidable enemy. It's not regenerated and is still fallen. It is subject to infirmity, sickness, disease, and death. It will not be void of sinful impulses until the resurrection, wherein it will be glorified like Christ's own body.

Soul, one's conscious mind. The seat of will, reason, and emotion. It is, the self. From birth it is conditioned to please the cravings of the flesh and ego (assumed identity). In this condition, it is called the carnal mind. But those born again are to use prayer, meditation, and Scripture to recondition, or retrain the mind to think and respond according to the Word and the leading of the Spirit. This is putting on the mind of Christ. The mind of Christ responds to one's inner man, not the flesh. And through the mind a Christ one mortifies and overcomes the sinful nature of the flesh.

Spirit, one's inner man. The seat of spirituality and intuition, core underlying desires and emotions. It is dead, alienated from God, unless one is born again. For the born again, this is the part of man that is regenerated due to the Holy Spirit's abiding presence and power. Once regenerated, it is sinless. It's desires are contrary to the desires of the flesh. When will surrenders to the desires of the flesh, the inner man is troubled. Feelings of guilt, shame, remorse, and anxiety flow from the spirit to the soul to prompt repentance, and provides a desire for sinless holiness.

There is no, outer man.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Little children, let no one deceive you: The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Christ is righteous. The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the very start. This is why the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the works of the devil. Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.

That sounds pretty cool.

God's seed, or nature, abides in inner man of those who are born of God. If they will find their sin repugnant, and so they cannot continue in sin.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

So, you get angry about it? What's up with that?

Angry? Nobody is angry.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

They don't believe in any such thing as an outer man. They believe in man bring trichotomy:

Body, the physical, biological aspect of man. It is governed by genetics, hormones, and craves fullness, comfort, and pleasures. It isn't YOU. It's a living shell. It's sinful inclinations are inherent, and are not you. In fact, you battle it's desires more than you do Satan. The flesh is truly your most formidable enemy. It's not regenerated and is still fallen. It is subject to infirmity, sickness, disease, and death. It will not be void of sinful impulses until the resurrection, wherein it will be glorified like Christ's own body.

Soul, one's conscious mind. The seat of will, reason, and emotion. It is, the self. From birth it is conditioned to please the cravings of the flesh and ego (assumed identity). In this condition, it is called the carnal mind. But those born again are to use prayer, meditation, and Scripture to recondition, or retrain the mind to think and respond according to the Word and the leading of the Spirit. This is putting on the mind of Christ. The mind of Christ responds to one's inner man, not the flesh. And through the mind a Christ one mortifies and overcomes the sinful nature of the flesh.

Spirit, one's inner man. The seat of spirituality and intuition, core underlying desires and emotions. It is dead, alienated from God, unless one is born again. For the born again, this is the part of man that is regenerated due to the Holy Spirit's abiding presence and power. Once regenerated, it is sinless. It's desires are contrary to the desires of the flesh. When will surrenders to the desires of the flesh, the inner man is troubled. Feelings of guilt, shame, remorse, and anxiety flow from the spirit to the soul to prompt repentance, and provides a desire for sinless holiness.

There is no, outer man.

1 Corinthians 2:16 do you have the mind of Christ, or do you have something else going on? Romans 12:2 says that you are to be transformed by your mind being renewed so you can know God's will. Do you believe that can happen, and is that happening with you and your mental issues? 1 Corinthians 2:14-16 the natural man which is a carnal mindset cannot receive that which is spiritually discerned. Therefore it remains in a carnal state rejecting direction from Jesus Christ as Father of a new creation 1 Corinthians 2:13-16. May I suggest you read the scriptures instead of commentaries. Commentaries are good, but only if you understand what the scripture is trying to relay to us first.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Angry? Nobody is angry.

Then explain your comment.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I know brothers who were in Vietnam who have no issues with their past. Can you explain why you have inner demons, and how can you be delivered?

I know brothers who don't have PTSD too. I also know brothers ego actually have symptoms but aren't diagnosed. PTSD is very much a physical injury to the brain caused by traumatic experiences. Imagine two individual's brain chemistry in a traumatic situation. Both have heightened levels of hormones that effect fight or flight response. But one individual's brain chemistry doesn't reestablish a balance, the brain's manner of chemistry is actually changed. Now certain triggers set off fight or flight responses and other symptoms often without warning. The other individual appears to be just fine.

It's just the luck of the draw, I guess.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

God's seed, or nature, abides in inner man of those who are born of God. If they will find their sin repugnant, and so they cannot continue in sin.

So, what happened to you a week ago? End of rope, knotted end, you are wretched? Are you saying that your inner man finds its sin repugnant and then tells your outerman to not continue in sin? Are you having an issue making the inner man connection with the outer man?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I know brothers who don't have PTSD too. I also know brothers ego actually have symptoms but aren't diagnosed. PTSD is very much a physical injury to the brain caused by traumatic experiences. Imagine two individual's brain chemistry in a traumatic situation. Both have heightened levels of hormones that effect fight or flight response. But one individual's brain chemistry doesn't reestablish a balance, the brain's manner of chemistry is actually changed. Now certain triggers set off fight or flight responses and other symptoms often without warning. The other individual appears to be just fine.

It's just the luck of the draw, I guess.

Heightened cortisol levels would turn you into skin and bone? Bro, that is all false about brain chemistry, and it is pyschological quackery. Vietnam and WWII testimonies from brothers who once had issues but after the Cross have none.

Who Jesus makes free is free indeed.

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I know brothers who were in Vietnam who have no issues with their past. Can you explain why you have inner demons, and how can you be delivered?

My dad met two vets. One was a SEAL in Vietnam and the other was Delta during the Bosnian conflict, the SEAL had no issues whatsoever with the lives he took and what he experienced...he reveled in it....sociopathy maybe? But anywho....the Delta operator was different....he had to do things he regretted...it ate at him.

We take these kids...barely out of school and throw them into traumatic crazy stuff...there are going to be some cracks that form in the egg....some crack easier.

My dad is a pilot and got to fly on a B-24. He met a elderly gentleman that was a navigator in WW2 in the Pacific theatre on a B-24. My dad without thinking much rushed into his experiences and whipped out his phone to proudly show off the pics and vids he took. The old man broke down weeping and asked for him to put them away. He was 17 years old in heavy cloud cover. They couldnt land because they were over the ocean and they couldn't navigate because the astrolabe used to navigate needed 3 celestial points of references and because two engines were shot out they couldn't get the readings. Finally they were able to break though and they landed on fumes on a island that was still being fought over....they landed on dead bodies and the wounded.

My neighbor growing up was in the European theatre. He was a tank commander. Stukka dive bomber bombed the tank and blew him out of the tank. Everyone else died. A German lady nursed him back to health and helped him get to allied territory. They used to babysit me and when cropdusters would fly over I would watch as this elderly man would dive under his kitchen table. He went to my church and was a faithful saint.

Another vet in the same church was on Normandy. Army Ranger. He carried a Browning Automatic Rifle. It shot 30.06 rounds. Beast of a weapon. We use that caliber to take down deer and just about anything else. Walking past the hedgerows he heard rustling in the bushes and on instinct he opened fire. It wasn't a German soldier. It was a little French boy.

My dad had been told that story secondhand. My dad got to know him really well and one day he told my dad,"Bro Bill....there's something I need to talk to you about....I just can't right now."

These were HolyGhost filled saints of God. My question is what happens when He DOESNT take your pain and the weight upon your shoulders away?

Personalities have a wide range spectrum. You can take 100 different people and put them through the exact same experience and they will react differently at times.
Now if I ask someone who is toeing the line of sociopathy what he thinks about war and the effect on his conscience, well, WHAT conscience? So I can't take him as my emotional barometer for how I should or someone should react to certain situations.

Said all that to say this, I dont look down on someone or see them as anything less because they are having trouble processing and coping. God knows there's stuff I've seen on the truck that'll get me all messed up in the head if I dwell on it or I have constant reminders of it. God didn't remove those memories...they are still there but He did help me bear them.

Pick it apart how you wish. Just wanted to ramble and make you read it.

See you read the next sentence too.

I control you now.

You will buy candles...lots and lots of candles.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

1 Corinthians 2:16 do you have the mind of Christ, or do you have something else going on? Romans 12:2 says that you are to be transformed by your mind being renewed so you can know God's will. Do you believe that can happen, and is that happening with you and your mental issues? 1 Corinthians 2:14-16 the natural man which is a carnal mindset cannot receive that which is spiritually discerned. Therefore it remains in a carnal state rejecting direction from Jesus Christ as Father of a new creation 1 Corinthians 2:13-16. May I suggest you read the scriptures instead of commentaries. Commentaries are good, but only if you understand what the scripture is trying to relay to us first.

The mind of Christ isn't like a gear on a car, or a default state. It must be cultivated, developed, else one wouldn't have to strive to put it on.