Pre trib rapture teaching is heresy

[Esaias]

Pre trib: Apparently can only be defended by whining, ad hominems, hysterics, red herrings, assorted other fallacies, and general weaseliness. Kind of like liberalism and atheism. But such is typical at the Laodocean General conference that has become 'Murikan Religion.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Sean

Originalist, what is your plan when he makes war with you and overcomes you, also forbids you to buy or sell?

I mean, what is your plan?

Here is the result of pre trib teaching. No vision or faith to trust God in the evil times. So what are these POOR TRIBULATION saints going to do when the mark is forced on them?

They will die for the Lord Jesus amen? If they....by your theory are willing to die for Jesus as second class second chance saved Christians how about the true bride of Jesus?

Would THEY forsake Jesus in fear? The terrible truth is that many have been set up by pre trib heresy so that when suffering for his name becomes real they will flee from Jesus in terror! Thus a great falling away.

Sean we are trying to open some of the eyes of pre tribbers that they might get a vision that sustains their faith in the worst of times. Millions have been slain for this glorious name of Jesus already.

Why? Because they loved Jesus more than their own lives. They found the secret of the Christian life.

THY LOVINGKINDNESS IS BETTER THAN LIFE.

[Esaias]

People can whine all they want but the facts remain:

Pre trib rapture doctrine is a heresy.
People who believe and promote heresies are heretics.
Heresies are a work of the flesh.
Those who "do them" will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Therefore, pre trib rapturists will not inherit the kingdom of God.

"Oh, that's MEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNN!!!!!!!!"

One of the biggest evidences that pre trib rapture teaching is malarkey false doctrine is the overall responses from the resident pre tribbers.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Here is the result of pre trib teaching. No vision or faith to trust God in the evil times. So what are these POOR TRIBULATION saints going to do when the mark is forced on them?

They will die for the Lord Jesus amen? If they....by your theory are willing to die for Jesus as second class second chance saved Christians how about the true bride of Jesus?

Would THEY forsake Jesus in fear? The terrible truth is that many have been set up by pre trib heresy so that when suffering for his name becomes real they will flee from Jesus in terror! Thus a great falling away.

Sean we are trying to open some of the eyes of pre tribbers that they might get a vision that sustains their faith in the worst of times. Millions have been slain for this glorious name of Jesus already.

Why? Because they loved Jesus more than their own lives. They found the secret of the Christian life.

THY LOVINGKINDNESS IS BETTER THAN LIFE.

All this "wife beater" garbage and the various Seanisms are an insult to every believer who ever had to endure tribulation and persecution for the Word of God. American Christianity is in full blown apostasy.

[Michael The Disciple]

Most end time teaching is rather lean when it comes to what is happening in its wider scope. It is almost always cast in the light of how horrific it will be for the saints living at that time. Well I understand and embrace the truth of that.

Yet there is another side of the story. During this time it will be all out war between the army of God and the armies of the devil. If we look at what happens when the 7 trumpets are blowing we can see all throughout that the great and glorious Jesus Christ is at work killing multitudes of sinners!

One third of all men are killed just when the 6th angel sounds. That would be BILLIONS OF SINNERS killed by our God and Savior at one shot of his judgment!

Not to even mention the sinners that will be killed through the prophetic ministry of the two witnesses.

It will be all out war with God probably killing more of the wicked than what the man of sin kills of us.

The idea that God cannot inflict tribulation and wrath on the wicked until Christians are removed from the Earth is very deceptive.

Noah's world was destroyed without him ever leaving it. That is the best and only example we have of what happens when the world as we know it is being destroyed.

When Paul says he delivers us from the wrath to come he is thinking of the wrath of Hell fire. That will be far more fearsome wrath than the plagues during the trib.

Obviously wrath comes in degree. The wrath one experiences on Earth will truly be wrath. But it will not be the degree of being cast into the fires of Gehenna.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Most end time teaching is rather lean when it comes to what is happening in its wider scope. It is almost always cast in the light of how horrific it will be for the saints living at that time. Well I understand and embrace the truth of that.

Yet there is another side of the story. During this time it will be all out war between the army of God and the armies of the devil. If we look at what happens when the 7 trumpets are blowing we can see all throughout that the great and glorious Jesus Christ is at work killing multitudes of sinners!

One third of all men are killed just when the 6th angel sounds. That would be BILLIONS OF SINNERS killed by our God and Savior at one shot of his judgment!

Not to even mention the sinners that will be killed through the prophetic ministry of the two witnesses.

It will be all out war with God probably killing more of the wicked than what the man of sin kills of us.

The idea that God cannot inflict tribulation and wrath on the wicked until Christians are removed from the Earth is very deceptive.

Noah's world was destroyed without him ever leaving it. That is the best and only example we have of what happens when the world as we know it is being destroyed.

When Paul says he delivers us from the wrath to come he is thinking of the wrath of Hell fire. That will be far more fearsome wrath than the plagues during the trib.

Obviously wrath comes in degree. The wrath one experiences on Earth will truly be wrath. But it will not be the degree of being cast into the fires of Gehenna.

If the Trib is a 7 year period of cataclysmic wrath that begins in Chapter 6, then how could there even be a functioning society? There would be nothing for the Anti-Christ to reign over. One major,yet localized catastrophe in the present time, like a city being destroyed by nuclear terrorism, would bring the world economy to its knees. Imagine dozens of them happening at the same time for 7 years. But the fools who insist that Revelation is written in chronological order don't seem to grasp this.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Esaias

People can whine all they want but the facts remain:

Pre trib rapture doctrine is a heresy.
People who believe and promote heresies are heretics.
Heresies are a work of the flesh.
Those who "do them" will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Therefore, pre trib rapturists will not inherit the kingdom of God.

"Oh, that's MEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNN!!!!!!!!"

One of the biggest evidences that pre trib rapture teaching is malarkey false doctrine is the overall responses from the resident pre tribbers.

Did you beat your wife last night?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Esaias

All this "wife beater" garbage and the various Seanisms are an insult to every believer who ever had to endure tribulation and persecution for the Word of God. American Christianity is in full blown apostasy.

I was thinking the same thing. Sean came across like a mocking lunatic for berating those who will and have suffered for Christ. And this accusation that we WANT to suffer, or are looking for a martyr's death. What a complete lunatic. I guess he must be watching Kenneth Copeland or something, learning that children of God who suffer don't have God's favor or have a lack of faith. Total and complete garbage. Sean will take the mark, as you said, because his pretrib view won't let him believe that i is actually the mark of the beast he is taking. Pre cultism.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by n david

Did you beat your wife last night?

Was God beating Stephen when he was stoned, or James when he was murdered?

Was God beating Israel when they were present during the plagues in Egypt?

Sorry, but I just don't get this "wife-beater" accusation.

[n david]

Originally Posted by houston

Not that I agree with him. But he has posted lots of scripture. Can you refute his points using scripture?

I posted scripture, he ignored it and claimed I was just using personal opinion. Yet he posts scripture mixed with his opinion and it's "the Gospel truth."

His response to my post this morning is more Alinsky: ridicule, keep constant pressure, freeze, personalize and polarize. Pretty incredible when you think about it. Almost any debate Esaias gets into, he employs those rules.