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[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Its a dwelling place. In context a dwelling place for God. The man of sin sits in the temple of God SHEWING HIMSELF....THAT...HE...IS GOD.

The man of sin sits in the temple of God. Whatever he sits in is God's temple FIRST, then he sits in it claiming the position of God.

You are proposing a guy pitches a tent for himself, and somehow it becomes God's temple when this man dwells in it, but not really God's temple, just that guy's temple, who claims to be God.

It's the temple of God according to Paul. Like I said, there is no way a man can build a temple to himself and it actually be God's temple.

[Evang.Benincasa]

What is the certain “apostasy” boys and girls?

What is the falling away?

Since obviously that is the particular time indicator.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Why?

Because he asked politely?

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

What is the certain “apostasy” boys and girls?

What is the falling away?

Since obviously that is the particular time indicator.

It seems that the beginning of the *falling away* is the infiltration of Christianity by Christian Gnostics who were taught by the Gnostic Jews from the Platonic schools in Alexandria, and who in turn developed Catholicism along the lines of Talmudic/Kabala Judaism.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

It seems that the beginning of the *falling away* is the infiltration of Christianity by Christian Gnostics who were taught by the Gnostic Jews from the Platonic schools in Alexandria, and who in turn developed Catholicism along the lines of Talmudic/Kabala Judaism.

The beginning of the falling away? Paul doesn’t indicate that an apostacy would occurs that continues until the return. Because the “man of sin” would also be perpetual. Right? If you create a scenario which has this falling away happening for 2,000 years and climbing. Then what about the man of sin? What about the apostacy itself? Paul knew what the apostacy was, it was circumcising new Gentile converts and having them keep the law. Gnosticism isn’t indicated in this chapter, or are we pointed towards Gnosticism by the Apostle in his dealing with his churches. Paul deals with Judaizers. Look at what Gnosticism actually is, it is a Christian form of Kabbalah. Therefore scholars confused the practice of the First Century Judaizers with what they knew about Medival Gnosticism.

But again, the falling away is the time indicator. It’s BEGINNING would be the bullet that let everything be exposed. Not a 2,000 years and dragging out flood of apostacy and schisms of apostacys, etc, etc.

No, just one apostacy would open the can of worms and be destroyed by His coming. The apostacy needed the running temple, a complete working law system. Animal sacrifices, priesthood, for newly converted circumcised Gentiles to be brought into. The Hebrew roots movement today is a farce with its Yashuaism and Medieval Judaic customs baptized as Biblical. Falling away at its very start would indicate to the people who were asking the Apostle the question when could the expect the wrap up. To put down all the flash letters they were receiving. Paul didn’t say, don’t worry but that day will not come for 3,900 years.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

What is the certain “apostasy” boys and girls?

What is the falling away?

Since obviously that is the particular time indicator.

If I go by what is on Facebook... it’s when the Houston area pastor lights up the sanctuary with Christmas themed colors as he delivers his message while wearing Christmas themed pajamas.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by houston

If I go by what is on Facebook... it’s when the Houston area pastor lights up the sanctuary with Christmas themed colors as he delivers his message while wearing Christmas themed pajamas.

Amen

Because we make eschatology self centric.
We become the last generation, and we view the world around us changing as our unchangeable destiny. So instead of pajama pastor just being weird, some see it as a sign of the times. Just look at the BP spill it was supposed to be Wormwood. Gernobel nuclear accident Wormwood, Hitler antichrist, Ronald Regan 666. Every generation looks at itself as the last, in a unchagble world?

[Godsdrummer]

12/26/2017
The falling away

The question has been ask when is the falling away many times, but I ask you what is the falling away. Too many times we take the way we have been told something means and stay with that. Or Keep that idea but change how we see things. But what if our whole way of seeing something is completely wrong.
I come across something years ago that changed my way of seeing that passage. The word that has been translated to falling away is apostasia, which can also mean to depart or leave. Which we seen to forget that before the destruction of Jerusalem was a departure of the church.
Now the article that I read was saying that the departure was the so called rapture, so they were putting forth a pre tribulation view. Since I no longer believe in a rapture or a second coming, I see it as the departure of the Christians before the destruction of Jerusalem.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

What is the certain “apostasy” boys and girls?

What is the falling away?

Since obviously that is the particular time indicator.

Preterism, for starters.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sean

Preterism, for starters.

This is why posting with you is like licking acid coated razor blades. You have nothing to add to the conversation but your idiocy.