Are All Oneness Christians Apostolic By Default?

[BuckeyeBukaroo]

Originally Posted by Holy Roller

These people were certainly Spirit-filled believers. Their music was anointed. The power of God moved in their services. I've been there and experienced it myself.

As I understand, they quite simply interpret "long hair" as being able to cut it as long as it as long. I don't see how that in itself would lead one to deny them salvation or compare them to definitely unsaved "meth whores".

Their lack of holiness does not begin or end with their "long hair" rebellion! Sugar coating this will not help them if any of them were ever to read this. So stop it!

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Holy Roller

I think my initial question as toss aside in favor of a discussing of questioning these peoples' salvation. That was not my intent for starting this thread. I was simply curious to know the opinions of others here as to why you might think these Christians may not self-identify as Apostolic, even though the vast majority of their beliefs align with what many here would define as classical Apostolic Pentecostal teachings.

That's it. Nothing more. I wasn't wanting to debate anyone's salvation, especially when I myself do not know these people all too well personally. I can only speak of what I feel from them, which is the power and the love of God. They are anointed people. Different interpretations such as these, in my opinion, are not heaven or hell issues. Perhaps they are leading their flocks as closely as they see fit. Maybe one day they will be convicted of allowing their ladies to cut their hair and put a stop to it. Who knows?

I'm sorry I just was commenting on what was said. I honestly believe that Apostolics are the only people who believe in the Oneness of the Godhead. There's a lot of churches that fly the banner of Apostolic. While simply what qualifies it or not is whether they are truthfully following the teachings of the Apostles.

I think that's about the best answer that can be given. In these days and ages people self identify with a lot of things. You can't be truthfully apostolic unless you are repented baptized in Jesus name, and filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives the utterance. Living a holy and seperated life, following peace with all men and holiness, without which you shall not see God. I believe the rest is conjecture at best.

These people seem to be some type of Independent Apostolics who have some different understanding on hair and a wrong interpretation of 1 Corinthians 11. With that said, they are still Apostolics. I can't put a charismatic sticker on you just for that one. There's many black organizations who have facial hair and their women cut their hair and wear head coverings. I don't agree exactly but when it comes to outward standards thats something that varies from place to place. Whatever your Pastor preaches and teaches submit and do.

[BuckeyeBukaroo]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

Whatever your Pastor preaches and teaches submit and do.

Whatever is right in our own eyes...
Sounds legit to me!

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Holy Roller

I think my initial question as toss aside in favor of a discussing of questioning these peoples' salvation. That was not my intent for starting this thread. I was simply curious to know the opinions of others here as to why you might think these Christians may not self-identify as Apostolic, even though the vast majority of their beliefs align with what many here would define as classical Apostolic Pentecostal teachings.

That's it. Nothing more. I wasn't wanting to debate anyone's salvation, especially when I myself do not know these people all too well personally. I can only speak of what I feel from them, which is the power and the love of God. They are anointed people. Different interpretations such as these, in my opinion, are not heaven or hell issues. Perhaps they are leading their flocks as closely as they see fit. Maybe one day they will be convicted of allowing their ladies to cut their hair and put a stop to it. Who knows?

Are they Church of Jesus Christ?

A lot of COJC folks refuse to be labelled as "apostolic", many even reject the label "pentecostal". I think the reasoning is "those labels identify movements we disagree with".

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Are they Church of Jesus Christ?

A lot of COJC folks refuse to be labelled as "apostolic", many even reject the label "pentecostal". I think the reasoning is "those labels identify movements we disagree with".

Or are they Branhamites?

[1ofthechosen]

I'm sorry I just was commenting on what was said. I honestly believe that Apostolics are the only people who believe in the Oneness of the Godhead. There's a lot of churches that fly the banner of Apostolic. While simply what qualifies it or not is whether they are truthfully following the teachings of the Apostles.

I think that's about the best answer that can be given. In these days and ages people self identify with a lot of things. You can't be truthfully apostolic unless you are repented baptized in Jesus name, and filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives the utterance. Living a holy and seperated life, following peace with all men and holiness, without which you shall not see God. I believe the rest is conjecture at best.

These people seem to be some type of Independent Apostolics who have some different understanding on hair and a wrong interpretation of 1 Corinthians 11. With that said, they are still Apostolics. I can't put a charismatic sticker on you just for that one. There's many black organizations who have facial hair and their women cut their hair and wear head coverings. I don't agree exactly but when it comes to outward standards thats something that varies from place to place. Whatever your Pastor preaches and teaches submit and do. But they are out of line, and in disobedience to 1 Corinthians 11. And Buckeye is right rebellion usually starts its expression in the hair, or facial hair. Most women when they begin to get a rebellious spirit will cut their hair. The men usually want to grow a foomanchew is how the old adage goes. So thats where he's coming from.

This seems to be a sign of poor pastoral leadership to me. I don't think they are rebelling, I think they are being taught wrong. Thats just for me though.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeBukaroo

Whatever is right in our own eyes...
Sounds legit to me!

These people might not know better, sounds like they are being taught wrong. I'm not going to lie, I had to go all in the original language to find out what 1 Corinthians 11 was truthfully saying. If they are one of those churches who just read the KJV and don't believe in studying original language usage, it makes sense. Doesn't make it right, but it does makes sense. And that is the danger of teaching your people that way also. Because ive heard many pastors say, you don't have to study the original language. But that passage you do, ive never read a english translation that makes 1 Corinthians 11 plain to understand without the Insight into the original language. Has anybody else?

I'm not advocating it, but these people could be in full submission to someone who was teaching them wrong at this point is all I'm saying.

[BuckeyeBukaroo]

The meth addict knows his place and upon coming to Jesus, his spirit with be tender and his heart will be pliable. Faith and holiness will not be an issue for him.

The holy-living Trinitarian Pentecostal is showing with their lives that God is at work and thus, they might very well be in a spiritual "safer" place than the so-called unholy living Apostolic who has the Truth but lives a life void of holiness.

The unholy Apostolic is living in a place of open rebellion and according to the Bible, he is operating in witchcraft. He cannot be convinced of his rebellion and need for Jesus because he is already saved, in his mind. Sadly, he has no clothes on and the clothes he would have access to are more than likely not appropriate for the Table.

[Esaias]

Never mind. Another thread destroyed in classic AFF style.

[BuckeyeBukaroo]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Never mind. Another thread destroyed in classic AFF style.

Destroyed? Or is that my logic exposes the flaws in your logic?