Demons and the believer

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

So who is this in Revelation 13:3-4? Or so many other places in the Bible..

I don't see the word "lucifer" in that passage.

[berkeley]

I have a ? for Bro E. The rest of you, I know your answer(s).

Esaias,

Why do some saved people have issues “praying through?”

Christians with demons, were they ever really Christians?

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Aquila

If there is no Satan, who possessed, or took the form of a serpent, in Eden?

Apparently not. Hopefully he's talking just about Isaiah 14 and the name Lucifer. But either way it goes just like in Ezekail 28 they are comparing the king of Tyre also with Satan just like the king of Babylon in Isaiah 14. It's a comparison of traits.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Explain power of the air. Also explain how the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience is a non human conscious entity controlling a hierarchy of fallen angels or other god-like beings that we are to supposedly wrestle against, rather than it being the spirit of rebellion common to sinful man.

Just as God influences men to turn to him and be saved. So also fallen angels influence men to rebel against God.
Acts 4:3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land?

Satan is a spirit being just as all angels are. It wasn't an nebulous "spirit of rebellion" that filled Ananias' mind.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Just as God influences men to turn to him and be saved. So also fallen angels influence men to rebel against God.
Acts 4:3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land?

Satan is a spirit being just as all angels are. It wasn't an nebulous "spirit of rebellion" that filled Ananias' mind.

Satan literally? Of all the places he could be, he entered Ananias?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Just as God influences men to turn to him and be saved. So also fallen angels influence men to rebel against God.
Acts 4:3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land?

Satan is a spirit being just as all angels are. It wasn't an nebulous "spirit of rebellion" that filled Ananias' mind.

The Scripture teaches that all sin comes from within man. Mark 7:15 specifically rules out ANY outside agency defiling a person or causing them to sin, and James 1:14-15 specifies the mechanism by which sin occurs.

Therefore, Peter's words to Ananias must be understood in that light, which will show what "satan" is being discussed there. There is more than one satan, devil, enemy, or adversary.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

Apparently not. Hopefully he's talking just about Isaiah 14 and the name Lucifer. But either way it goes just like in Ezekail 28 they are comparing the king of Tyre also with Satan just like the king of Babylon in Isaiah 14. It's a comparison of traits.

Pastor Shearer used to say those kings were, "full of the Devil", perhaps they were possessed. And so the prophet was addressing the rulers, and the spirit inside them, all at the same time.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by berkeley

I have a ? for Bro E. The rest of you, I know your answer(s).

Esaias,

Why do some saved people have issues “praying through?”

Find the Biblical definition of "praying through" and you will have your answer. Meanwhile, prayer requires persistence (Luke 18:1) and a lot of folks quit before the answer arrives. It's an age old problem, they had it then, we still have it now.

Christians with demons, were they ever really Christians?

I think most cases of that is either self-induced hysteria due to false doctrine, or LARPing (very common in charismatic circles, LARPing, that is).

I do not believe a genuine child of God can "have a demon", no matter what anyone says. The Bible is true, everyone else is a liar.

[Aquila]

Satan has fallen angels that serve him and work on his behalf. Therefore, "Satan" being at work in something or someone is often through the agency of demons. Just like we are about Christ's work.

[Aquila]

I think we can agree that a genuine child of God can't be possessed. But certainly, they can be spiritually oppressed from the outside if they've given room to that spirit in their lives.