Demons and the believer - Page 17

berkeley · #**161** 08-13-2018, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Satan has fallen angels that serve him and work on his behalf. Therefore, "Satan" being at work in something or someone is often through the agency of demons. Just like we are about Christ's work.

The bible nowhere states that fallen angels are demons.

berkeley · #**162** 08-13-2018, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

I think we can agree that a genuine child of God can't be possessed. But certainly, they can be spiritually oppressed from the outside.

No scripture for that.

Esaias · #**163** 08-13-2018, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

I think we can agree that a genuine child of God can't be possessed. But certainly, they can be spiritually oppressed from the outside.

berkeley · #**164** 08-13-2018, 08:21 PM

I was having a discussion with a friend recently. He believes that you can give devils doorways into your life.

I told him that when addressing sin we are told to “stop.” Nothing about doorways and devils oppressing people.

Aquila · #**165** 08-13-2018, 08:21 PM

I'm seeing references to charismatic abuse in some posts. But we should be carful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

mizpeh · #**166** 08-13-2018, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

See? This all ties back into the KINGDOM OF GOD, which is clearly and undeniably an issue of JURISDICTION and AUTHORITY. The GOSPEL of "the Kingdom of God".

THIS is why the world hates it. The world don't care where you think you are going when you die. They just want to make sure you SUBMIT TO THEIR AUTHORITY in the HERE AND NOW. But Christ has all authority, here and now and forever more. THAT is what creates the conflict. The secular powers that be see real Gospel Christianity as a threat to their power and control.

Interesting how the powers that be don't really see much of modern Christendom as any kind of threat... Might be because modern Christendom has lost sight of what the Gospel is really all about?

The contrast in kingdoms that I see in the Bible is the kingdom of God and the kingdom of Satan who is the ruler of this world. A kingdom of light versus a kingdom of darkness.
Secular powers are unwittingly the puppets of Satan who has deceived and continues to deceive the whole world. Our war isn't with secular governments that are ruled by men. Your directing your energy against the wrong adversary.

Aquila · #**167** 08-13-2018, 08:29 PM

Satan used oppression through temptation when Jesus was tempted of the Devil during the Temptation in the Wilderness.

Evil spirits can seek to tempt, deceive, trick, mentally torment, and discourage believers. These are forms of spiritual oppression.

If there is no Satan, who tempted Jesus in the wilderness?

berkeley · #**168** 08-13-2018, 08:31 PM

No scripture

Apostolic1ness · #**169** 08-13-2018, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

I think we can agree that a genuine child of God can't be possessed. But certainly, they can be spiritually oppressed from the outside if they've given room to that spirit in their lives.

Agreed I dont believe a person with the Holy Ghost can also be possessed with a devil. But surely can be attacked on all fronts. But remember, submit to God and resist the devil and he will flee from you...

mizpeh · #**170** 08-13-2018, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Can you cite the specific places where principalities and powers refer to demons or non human entities? And why Paul didn't make any kind of clarification or explanation of the term, lest people get the wrong idea?

Did you read the portion I quoted from Boyd's book 'God at War'? There are many scriptures cited in that long quote that would answer your question.

I could cite the specific places and go through each one of them but I don't have the time. That's why I gave you a book reference that you could look at and perhaps take a look at the entire book itself. I don't agree with everything Boyd teaches. His eschatology may even be akin to yours (which I don't agree with but dislike discussing eschatology). But I know what he teaches on this subject and I agree with him. And I know he can present it better than I could, especially if you like diving into the Greek.

What does Paul have to clarify when he is talking about entities that are not "flesh and blood". Paul cast out demons from people as did the rest of the apostles. It was a daily occurrence when Jesus walked on the earth. The people of that day understood there were unseen spirits, good and evil at play in the world.

Context is key whether the writer is referring to earthly rulers and governments or spiritual rulers.