Demons and the believer

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by berkeley

He’s not into fiction.

Good one!

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Why do you bring the RCC catechism into this? I don't read their writings. Red herring.

I fixed that sentence in the last post. It should have had the word 'not'.

Jesus is saying the same devil in the beginning that influenced Cain is influencing the religious Jews. The devil influenced Cain to murder. Cain committed the murder. The devil is influencing these Jews to murder Jesus.
Do you think the Jews' response to Jesus after he accused them of having the devil as a father reflects your thoughts on this subject?

Sorry if I don't get back to this thread. I have to study for a test.

Bookmark the thread, and after your test come back. I'm doing write up in a few that will examine "the god of this world". It'll be an eye opener for some.

Thanks be to God for a successful outcome on your test.

[1ofthechosen]

Ok so 2 Corinthians 4:4 doesn't mean what I say it does?

Ok what about John 16:11 "Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged."

Who is this prince you ask? Ephesians 2:2 "Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience."

Which Ephesians 6:12 says "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers." Who is this prince? "The prince of the power of the air" the "prince of this world""the god of this world".

Because you never did answer this but this is what it is. "Bro this is all very simple what happened in the garden was for no other reason then to steal Dominion that was given at the creation of man in Genesis 1:26, and which he carried out in the forming of man in Genesis 2.

So when they chose to disobey God and listen to the serpent the scripture is true "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey." They gave Dominion away. God didn't just come slap the Dominion away from the devil but he has a short time, and even shorter at the glorification of Jesus and the day of Pentecost. Although this is still rightfully his world, because man gave him Dominion. They gave him a right to this economy. And he is at work behind every unregenerate man, and behind the men in High places.

Though men do carry these things out, it's still the devil and the 1/3 angels behind all this. There is a fight between kingdoms., Always being carried out.(as we see in Daniel 10:13, and Revelation 12:7-8) Now while when you yield yourself to his bidding long enough his will becomes yours, I can see that. Which is the same with the Holy Ghost and the things of God the more I yield myself to Him and His will, His desires become my desires.

I don't believe the devil and demons are to blame as much as people say. They aren't behind every flat tire, and bad judgement by the government. But they do play a factor. There is a danger in over emphasizing the works of the devil, while there is also a danger in minimizing them."

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Also θεὸς isn't lower case.

John 12:40 and Romans 11:25 says God blinded them partially.

So if you believe that God blinded their mind in that context then what's any different then that the Calvinism. That's like saying He causes people to be lost.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Bookmark the thread, and after your test come back. I'm doing write up in a few that will examine "the god of this world". It'll be an eye opener for some.

Thanks be to God for a successful outcome on your test.

Thank you.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

So if you believe that God blinded their mind in that context then what's any different then that the Calvinism. That's like saying He causes people to be lost.

It still points to Romans 11:25

[Evang.Benincasa]

Was the prince of this age (the one Jesus and His apostles were walking around in) judged? If so, what was the judgement?

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The verse you supplied suggests the devil spoken of here is Cain, the first murderer, the murder from "the beginning" (Genesis).

Bro the first murderer was Satan the serpent in the garden. In trying to steal their Dominion he lied to her got her to eat and commit sin. In that he murdered her, and in turn all of mankind. No he didn't murder her physically or us physically but spiritually yes. So what happened in the spiritual, through Cain took place in the physical.

Cain was the first one to kill anyone physically, but Satan had already caused it to take place in the spiritual. He became the father of it and lies, sin, and iniquity. Whatever takes place in the natural has to go forth first in the spiritual.

That's the whole purposes of the seals in the book of Revelations that is taking place In the Spiritual, but then when Trumpets take place that's when they are being shed forth.

It's all throughout the Old Testament to especially the prophets.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

It still points to Romans 11:25

That's talking about the Jews and that is for a whole different purpose. Which we see in the book of Acts 13:45-46 "But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming. [46] Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles."

What's being said in 2 Corinthians 4:4 is a totally different circumstance, then Romans 11:25.

[berkeley]

Her eyes weren’t opened until her husband ate