Are we to repent for our ancestors past sins?

[Aquila]

I'd rather be judged for being too liberal in loving patience and acceptance... than be judged as not being loving, patient, or accepting enough.

Always error on the side of love, mercy, and grace.

[1ofthechosen]

So this is really still a thing?

What about this scripture Ezekial 18:1-20 "The word of the Lord came unto me again, saying, [2] What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge? [3] As I live, saith the Lord God , ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel. [4] Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. [5] But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right, [6] And hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, neither hath defiled his neighbour's wife, neither hath come near to a menstruous woman, [7] And hath not oppressed any, but hath restored to the debtor his pledge, hath spoiled none by violence, hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment; [8] He that hath not given forth upon usury, neither hath taken any increase, that hath withdrawn his hand from iniquity, hath executed true judgment between man and man, [9] Hath walked in my statutes, and hath kept my judgments, to deal truly; he is just, he shall surely live, saith the Lord God . [10] If he beget a son that is a robber, a shedder of blood, and that doeth the like to any one of these things , [11] And that doeth not any of those duties , but even hath eaten upon the mountains, and defiled his neighbour's wife, [12] Hath oppressed the poor and needy, hath spoiled by violence, hath not restored the pledge, and hath lifted up his eyes to the idols, hath committed abomination, [13] Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him. [14] Now, lo, if he beget a son, that seeth all his father's sins which he hath done, and considereth, and doeth not such like, [15] That hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, hath not defiled his neighbour's wife, [16] Neither hath oppressed any, hath not withholden the pledge, neither hath spoiled by violence, but hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment, [17] That hath taken off his hand from the poor, that hath not received usury nor increase, hath executed my judgments, hath walked in my statutes; he shall not die for the iniquity of his father, he shall surely live. [18] As for his father, because he cruelly oppressed, spoiled his brother by violence, and did that which is not good among his people, lo, even he shall die in his iniquity. [19] Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live. [20] The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him."

So anyone in support of this is out of the Bible... My only 2 cents! Carry on...

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'd rather be judged for being too liberal in loving patience and acceptance... than be judged as not being loving, patient, or accepting enough.

Always error on the side of love, mercy, and grace.

So man is more loving and righteous than Jesus Christ.
Error is error no matter how virtuously you dress it up.
This is the SJW’s mantra. Being an Ecclesiastical Snowflake might win you some applause, but won’t get you into Heaven. Contemplate this on the Tree of Woe.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

So this is really still a thing?

What about this scripture Ezekial 18:1-20 "The word of the Lord came unto me again, saying, [2] What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge? [3] As I live, saith the Lord God , ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel. [4] Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. [5] But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right, [6] And hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, neither hath defiled his neighbour's wife, neither hath come near to a menstruous woman, [7] And hath not oppressed any, but hath restored to the debtor his pledge, hath spoiled none by violence, hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment; [8] He that hath not given forth upon usury, neither hath taken any increase, that hath withdrawn his hand from iniquity, hath executed true judgment between man and man, [9] Hath walked in my statutes, and hath kept my judgments, to deal truly; he is just, he shall surely live, saith the Lord God . [10] If he beget a son that is a robber, a shedder of blood, and that doeth the like to any one of these things , [11] And that doeth not any of those duties , but even hath eaten upon the mountains, and defiled his neighbour's wife, [12] Hath oppressed the poor and needy, hath spoiled by violence, hath not restored the pledge, and hath lifted up his eyes to the idols, hath committed abomination, [13] Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him. [14] Now, lo, if he beget a son, that seeth all his father's sins which he hath done, and considereth, and doeth not such like, [15] That hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, hath not defiled his neighbour's wife, [16] Neither hath oppressed any, hath not withholden the pledge, neither hath spoiled by violence, but hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment, [17] That hath taken off his hand from the poor, that hath not received usury nor increase, hath executed my judgments, hath walked in my statutes; he shall not die for the iniquity of his father, he shall surely live. [18] As for his father, because he cruelly oppressed, spoiled his brother by violence, and did that which is not good among his people, lo, even he shall die in his iniquity. [19] Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live. [20] The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him."

So anyone in support of this is out of the Bible... My only 2 cents! Carry on...

Bingo. One will not bear the iniquity of their fathers and die in their father's iniquity. No born again saint of God will be cut off from God over an ancestor's sin.

However, it doesn't stop here. We also read:

Isaiah 1:17
“Learn to do good; seek justice, correct oppression; bring justice to the fatherless, plead the widow’s cause.”

Zechariah 7:9-10
“Thus says the Lord of hosts, Render true judgments, show kindness and mercy to one another, do not oppress the widow, the fatherless, the sojourner, or the poor, and let none of you devise evil against another in your heart.”

Proverb 31:8-9
“Open your mouth for the mute, for the rights of all who are destitute. Open your mouth, judge righteously, defend the rights of the poor and needy.”

Jeremiah 22:3
“Thus says the Lord: Do justice and righteousness, and deliver from the hand of the oppressor him who has been robbed. And do no wrong or violence to the resident alien, the fatherless, and the widow, nor shed innocent blood in this place.”

Micah 6:8
“He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?”

While we will not die in the iniquities of our fathers, God clearly expects us to right wrongs caused by the sins of others, including the sins of our fathers. Failing to do so is to fall short of God's desire of us.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

So man is more loving and righteous than Jesus Christ.
Error is error no matter how virtuously you dress it up.
This is the SJW’s mantra. Being an Ecclesiastical Snowflake might win you some applause, but won’t get you into Heaven. Contemplate this on the Tree of Woe.

Blessed are the merciful, EB.

I know you think I'm too soft. And that's okay. I'd be far more comfortable with God telling me that I was just too loving, patient, and kind to others... than be judged for not being loving, patient, or kind enough.

The point is, if I must be found in error... I pray it be on the side of mercy and grace.

[berkeley]

Error is wandering, you miss the mark, which is sin. So while you rather be a Care Bear sinner, the end result is the same. Sounding ooey, marshmallow gooey, and Snuggle soft is what people do to look spiritual. Don’t tell me “no,” I’ve done it myself. It’s self righteousness. Pharisaical.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by berkeley

Error is wandering, you miss the mark, which is sin. So while you rather be a Care Bear sinner, the end result is the same. Sounding ooey, marshmallow gooey, and Snuggle soft is what people do to look spiritual. Don’t tell me “no,” I’ve done it myself. It’s self righteousness. Pharisaical.

Why do we increasingly sound more like Rush Limbaugh than Jesus?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

So this is really still a thing?

What about this scripture Ezekial 18:1-20 "The word of the Lord came unto me again, saying, [2] What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge? [3] As I live, saith the Lord God , ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel. [4] Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. [5] But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right, [6] And hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, neither hath defiled his neighbour's wife, neither hath come near to a menstruous woman, [7] And hath not oppressed any, but hath restored to the debtor his pledge, hath spoiled none by violence, hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment; [8] He that hath not given forth upon usury, neither hath taken any increase, that hath withdrawn his hand from iniquity, hath executed true judgment between man and man, [9] Hath walked in my statutes, and hath kept my judgments, to deal truly; he is just, he shall surely live, saith the Lord God . [10] If he beget a son that is a robber, a shedder of blood, and that doeth the like to any one of these things , [11] And that doeth not any of those duties , but even hath eaten upon the mountains, and defiled his neighbour's wife, [12] Hath oppressed the poor and needy, hath spoiled by violence, hath not restored the pledge, and hath lifted up his eyes to the idols, hath committed abomination, [13] Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him. [14] Now, lo, if he beget a son, that seeth all his father's sins which he hath done, and considereth, and doeth not such like, [15] That hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, hath not defiled his neighbour's wife, [16] Neither hath oppressed any, hath not withholden the pledge, neither hath spoiled by violence, but hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment, [17] That hath taken off his hand from the poor, that hath not received usury nor increase, hath executed my judgments, hath walked in my statutes; he shall not die for the iniquity of his father, he shall surely live. [18] As for his father, because he cruelly oppressed, spoiled his brother by violence, and did that which is not good among his people, lo, even he shall die in his iniquity. [19] Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live. [20] The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him."

So anyone in support of this is out of the Bible... My only 2 cents! Carry on...

I still can't figure out why people are arguing against that which nobody has argued for?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I was referring to this statement:

I know what you were referring to, and you completely twisted it. You can't take a couple words out of a sentence and claim I was saying something that I was not saying. Obviously you can, but it's a flat out lie.

Again, we don't have a Levitical priest system, nor do we have a human High Priest who offers an annual sacrifice for our sins.

Use the whole sentence, don't just take a couple words from it and lie about what I said.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I still can't figure out why people are arguing against that which nobody has argued for?

They're unable to see categorical distinctives.