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Originally Posted by Antipas
Michael,
Dom may not be "deceiving you". Many Preterists don't believe what most Evangelicals might call the "rapture" is mentioned anywhere in Matthew 24, Luke 21, or Mark 13.
For example, Matthew 24:29-31
Matthew 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Many Post-Trib Futurists see verse 31 as the "rapture". Many Pre-Trib Futurists see it as a final gathering of the elect, comprised of "Tribulation saints". I'm sure some Preterists might see this as a final gathering together of Christ's elect (what would be the equivalent of the Rapture), but many don't. Many other Preterists see this gathering by angels as more than just a single event immediately following the fall of the Temple in AD 70. They believe that after the fall of the Temple, the OT system was abolished. And now a new Covenant is in play. And so, beginning with the fall of the Temple, the angels in heaven have been strictly gathering the souls of Christ's Christian elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. This isn't a "gathering of the elect" in the since of a one time event "rapture". But rather it began in AD 70 and continues until this very day. It essentially describing angels gathering of the souls of the elect... at death.
I've also heard Preterists point out that the term "angelos" or "angel" is to be understood best as "messenger". They see these "messengers" gathering the elect as evangelists preaching the Gospel and gathering in the souls of the elect as a result of the preached Word.
As you can see, it can get confusing if Futurists assign a meaning to a text (like claiming it speaks of the rapture). To the Preterist, the text doesn't even mention the rapture at all.
So, Dom is most likely not trying to deceive anyone. There's simply a breakdown in communication because one side sees a text relating to a topic that the other doesn't see at all in the text. |
Thank you Antipas. I have asked if he believed "the 2nd coming" happened in 70ad. I have asked if the "rapture and resurrection" took place in 70ad. I have asked if the "catching up" happened in 70ad. You can see by the first post in THIS THREAD I even used the phrase "translated the Church".
I know that word mean different things to different people. Thats why I have tried to use words and phrases that Bible believers are familiar with.
Then when words or phrases did not seem to connect thats why I asked him to just plainly lay out what he believes happened in 70ad. That is not hard to do you yourself proved that in this thread.
Now if people know that Dom is a full preterist and they know what that means and they are cool with it fine. It is not banned on this Forum. Thats why its been frustrating to try to get him to say outright what he believes TO ME.
He could have at any time sent me a link to where he addressed it on the Forum. His view IS here. But in MY.......discussions with him he never gave me links. He said look in Eschatology.
Thats supposed to be ok.
Yet when TK Burk asked me about the doctrine of perfection and I sent him 3 direct links right in the Fellowship Hall the same day he said he did not want to have to wade through the thread!
All that was in the thread was 3 videos. I personally spent hours looking at posts in Eschatology and never found Doms clear cut answer until Esaias sent me the link today.
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