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Originally Posted by Costeon
I'm truly shocked. We always seem to agree. :-)
So, 1 John 1.10 teaches that only liars deny that all people have sinned . . .
So I'm not a liar since I think all people do sin. 1 John is written to the church. Anything it says here about confession applies to us. So when you sin--even if it be ever so rare--you should confess it.
Regarding my request for a personal anecdote, since you apparently think people can and do live their entire life free from sin--they perfectly love God with their heart, soul, mind, and strength and their neighbor as themselves--I am curious who these people are. I thought it would be interesting to first find out if you're one of these perfect ones. If not you, give me some examples. And how do you know they have been perfect? Their own testimony? Your observation of their life? It would seem unusual for it to be possible to live a perfect life at all times, but there be no examples. The only one without sin is the Lord Jesus Christ. He never needed to go to the throne of grace for his sin, because unlike all other human beings, he had no sin.
It makes sense that God would call us to such a lofty goal: we will keep pursuing more of God, never thinking we have arrived. Of course we will in fact attain the goal someday: when the Lord comes again and transforms our bodies to be like his glorious body.
Right next to Michael in his videos is the Lord's Prayer. Right next to his ear is the petition that our Lord has taught us to pray: Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. Do you, or do you not, ever need to pray that? |
Costeon, it looks like you lost the argument. Since you are now speaking emotionally concerning your own ecclesiastical world view. It is like the atheist who has never heard tongues as a literal known language therefore tongues are false. Perfection is maturity, even the Calvinist and Baptist who believes that it is impossible for someone to live without sinning, believes that after you come into the church you should sin less. Which always seemed as a contradiction to what they believe "you will sin everyday"
So, if you are to sin "rarely" exactly what does that look like? Why and how did you ever get there? Sin less? Sin rarely? But not sin at all is such a leap?
Especially When after
1 John 1:10 we find
1 John 3:8-9. To take the book of 1 John in the light you and Calvinists propose we end up with a contradiction in thought. We are not told to sin less, but to not sin. Because those who are still sinful are not mature, but in need of mother's milk again
Hebrews 5:11-13, 1 Peter 2:1-3, 1 Corinthians 3:2. We are to enter the kingdom as little children with the mother's milk of the word, but we are not to stay children, but to grow into adults
Matthew 18:3,
Matthew 19:14,
Mark 10:15,
Luke 18:17, 1 Corinthians 14:20,
Hebrews 5:13,
Ephesians 4:15. Again, in 1 John we are told emphatically, he who sins is of the devil. We are also told to purify ourselves as Jesus is pure
1 John 3:3.
Matthew 23:26. When Jesus' heals the blind man He warns the individual (pre Pentecost, pre epistels) to go sin NO MORE, UNLESS a WORST THING HAPPENS to you
John 5:14?" Seriously??? When did that little warning from Jesus Christ get cut out of the Bible and thrown away with the Old Testament? How about Jesus setting the woman caught in the very act of adultery free? Jesus tells her to go sin no more
John 8:11. Jesus didn't tell her or the former blind man, that they were to lessen their sinning but to halt it completely. The former blind man is warned that he would be hit with something worse than blindness? I guess that would be a god healthy deterrent to reconsider one's behavior? So, while you are looking for a model for your sinless mature Christian, look in the Bible. Start there, then start asking Jesus how you can personally accomplish this with His help.
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