Be Perfect Be Pure

[Michael The Disciple]

Costeon

No, I do not think you or me or anyone is going to be sin free. But what do you mean by "sin free"? This minute? today? a lifetime, what?

Sin free means you dont have sin in your life. This is the norm for all Christians.

Rom. 6:1-2

1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

First off we must have faith that we are what the Holy Ghost says we are. Here he says we are dead to sin. Sounds different than what we normally hear right? If we are dead to sin Paul says how can we keep doing it.

That shows us right there something is wrong when a Christian sins. Its not normal.

Are Christians supposed to be FREE FROM SIN?

Romans 6:6-7

6Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7For he that is dead is freed from sin.

This happens at the beginning of a Christan life. The old man is crucified, destroyed. Afterwards Paul teaches we need not sin.

There was a thread a while back on what is the state of a believer from the moment he or she sins till repentance. In other words is the believer lost until he repents? I'm pretty sure you posted in that thread as some of the others on this thread posted as well.

Its not that one instantly loses their salvation. What he does lose is perfection toward God. If we have sin in our life we are not perfect toward him. God gives us time to repent. If the sin remains in our life God will withdraw his favor from the person. We are not given to know how long one can keep sin in their life before God chastens them. Neither how long before he no longer considers them his.

What is certain is if the sin is not overcome the ultimate result is the person does not enter the kingdom.

You quote me saying this.

If Jesus Christ is in someone every moment HE IS SAVING THEM minute by minute by his Spirit.

Our salvation is not BASED on our obedience. But our obedience IS an essential part of its finality.

I believe I explained by Romans 5:10

10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Salvation is by Jesus Christ the person. He initially forgives our sins. Then through his life......the Holy Spirit in us, he continues to save us by giving us power to overcome sin.

Romans 8:12-13

12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

There will be a finality to this walk. If the Christian continues in sin he will die. This means for eternity. If he through the Spirit (Jesus Christ) mortifies or "kills" the deeds of the body he will live. That means for eternity.

But you don't perfectly do the will of God, and neither do I. If somebody thinks he does, he has an overdeveloped sense of his own righteousness, and probably an underdeveloped sense of what sin is. Do you honestly think you perfectly fulfill Jesus's command to love your neighbor as yourself? So, if you don't perfectly do God's will, where does that leave you?

What you seem to have missed is that I teach if one repents they are perfect again. Turning from sin results in it being washed away. Gone.

Nonetheless it is Jesus himself who said only those who do the Fathers will enter his kingdom.

Matt 7:21

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Jesus gave the example of the good Samaritan concerning loving our neighbor. The Samaritan found a man in bad shape on the road. He ministered what he could to the guy and then got him a place to stay until he was well.

The example is that we help one in need. Is this something IMPOSSIBLE to do? Minister to ones need? Help them? Give them a place to stay?

Note that the example was NOT that the good Samaritan then went door to door looking for anyone and everyone in need to minister to. No. Rather it is an example of doing what you can where you are.

If we refuse to help the needy when we can do it guess what?

Jesus said he will send us away into eternal punishment. Matt 25:41-46

Why is it in a discussion of holiness and perfection it comes down to AM I DOING IT?

Is is Gods word or not? It is Gods word regardless if I or anyone else does it. Thats why Jesus said FEW find eternal life.

If I dont do Gods will I will not enter Heaven nor will anyone else.