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Originally Posted by mfblume
so now take everything you just told me, which I agree with in Essence, and say that our Salvation, which is resurrection from sin and death, is the first resurrection. And then the second Resurrection is when our bodies come from the grave, or if we're alive our mortal bodies are changed into a mortal ones. Then we go to the white Throne judgment to live forever eternally. That's what I believe.
If we're saved and we're in the first resurrection because of Salvation, which is what the first resurrection is, we won't experience the second death which is going into the Lake of Fire.
I've read and studied heavily all the scriptures you mentioned when you talk with me throughout these days. So I'm very familiar with them, and I believe that my perspective takes into consideration all of them and as what those scriptures were trying to tell us.
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ι will try to see them from your perspective
(actually i can question all the interpetation of Revelation together, post-tribulation,7 yers, etc. are all under question, but NOT the Hope of all Saints under the sun!!!)
but i tell you that in order to have part in the first resurrection we have to die first. and i mean the physical death.
Τhe New Birth is not real death, i say that because this is our redemption (He buy us) from the second death. That is why you still aponted to death.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
reckon ,think us, ques, you self AS dead.
**(dont sthrough me a stone now
i know you are not ever-super-jelous so i dont worry.
i mean dont misunderstand me ,if it sounds like i "downlow the meaning of the Cross" No! i just want to see the differences of:
"i am saved because God forgive my sins and gave me His Spirit, BUT i dont know if tomorrow i will continue to faith and if He will live His SPirit in me"
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6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. I have fought a good fight, I have finished [my] course, I have kept the faith: 8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
You see ? that is Salvation finished and notice Paul did not said "i go to take the crown". He is still waiting for "that day"
see and study for your self the difference between:
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved; 6 And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus:
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25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Anyway , read the entire chapter of Corinthians and ...the text speaks itself, Our resurrection did not came, firstborn is Christ and we that belong to Him ,we are the 1st (and last) resurrection.
Because the rest of the dead will not come to life but to be codemned for the 2nd death.
Till we change this body and take the new, we can not inhered the kingdom
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.
Peace to you.
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