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Old 02-19-2020, 11:34 PM
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Re: Should we teach others to rebel against standa

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Leviticus 19:27 KJV
Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.

Do pastors set "landmarks" so ministers don't get caught up in vanity or pride regarding the ties or watches or hairstyles or suits or shoes they wear?
It is about the image of the church leadership and the importance of the message they carry. Business do the same and we don’t judge them. I am sure they won’t let the person representing the company in a meeting dress in pink with a S shaved in their head. It is about moderation and being appropriate to the occasion. Even business have some sense of what can give a bad impression and what is excessive and clear vanity or pride in look.

Why do you think the Lord commanded that to Israel? Just curious of your insight.

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Old 02-19-2020, 11:38 PM
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Facial hair is a bigger talking point in churches that allow it. It rarely even mentioned in amongst solid conservative churches with respected pastors ( say that because there is always the looney preachers out there). My kids are 15 and 19 and really don’t even no what hippies really are or were. Preaching about hippies to this generation they wouldn’t even have a clue what we are talking about.
It's not a talking point when nobody has a beard. It BECOMES a talking point (and preaching point) when somebody decides to grow their beard out.

Although, in churches that do NOT have a no-beard position, it never becomes a talking point when someone decides to shave. Unless that church has a must-have-beard position.

If your 19 yr old kid doesn't even have a clue what a hippy is/was, I'd say they need to get up to speed on their American history, because if someone doesn't know what hippies are then they can't understand what's going on in society with all the red diaper babies running amok nor do they understand the huge social revolution that occurred post-WW2 that completed the subversion of America to what it has become.
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Old 02-19-2020, 11:51 PM
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It's not a talking point when nobody has a beard. It BECOMES a talking point (and preaching point) when somebody decides to grow their beard out.

Although, in churches that do NOT have a no-beard position, it never becomes a talking point when someone decides to shave. Unless that church has a must-have-beard position.

If your 19 yr old kid doesn't even have a clue what a hippy is/was, I'd say they need to get up to speed on their American history, because if someone doesn't know what hippies are then they can't understand what's going on in society with all the red diaper babies running amok nor do they understand the huge social revolution that occurred post-WW2 that completed the subversion of America to what it has become.
Why don’t you worry about your own kids lol
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It is about the image of the church leadership and the importance of the message they carry. Business do the same and we don’t judge them. I am sure they won’t let the person representing the company in a meeting dress in pink with a S shaved in their head. It is about moderation and being appropriate to the occasion. Even business have some sense of what can give a bad impression and what is excessive and clear vanity or pride in look.

Why do you think the Lord commanded that to Israel? Just curious of your insight.
Businesses don't give two hoots about pride or vanity, they demand the look of their employees be appropriate to their particular industry.

But the church isn't a secular business. Well, the real church, anyway. Not sure about all those non profit orgs that call themselves churches.

God commanded His sons not to get rid of their beards because doing such basically amounted to effeminacy. Pagan cultures had their "woke" elements just like we do today, all "progressive" and trying to harmonise the "softer side" of male character, etc. Beardless young men were in pagan culture were often seen as surrogates for women without unwanted side effects (like pregnancy and marriage). The beard is a distinctively masculine trait, like a lion's mane (literally and biologically). What kind of people are naturally clean shaven? Women and children, basically. So God wants His sons to look and act like men. This actually connects to Deut 22:5.

Romans and Greeks, while often known for their beards, were also known for the beardless look, which was connected to the Greco-Roman idolization of virility and youthfulness. This is partly why the cleanshaven look was adopted by various emperors, which in turn filtered down to the military. When catholicism rose to the fore, the western (Roman) priestly ideal was that of an unmarried, childless, and cleanshaven man, largely because the Roman catholic clergy were a bunch of satanic perverts as they still are today.

That clean shaven look persisted in Western Europe through the Reformation and Enlightenment (along with panty hose, wigs, and facial makeup for men) and has been with the US ever since. Although during the 1800s beards were never looked as unseemly, by the early 20th century the clean shaven military and clerical executive look had become the main fashion. So then the clean shaven male look is actually a worldly fashion that has been persisting.

The hippy thing in the 60s (and the beatnick thing in the 50s) wasn't really about facial hair per se, but unkempt and unwashed appearance being used as a political and cultural statement of rebellion against tradition and culture. The use of t-shirts as regular outerwear was part and parcel to that (originating in 50s teen rebel and biker culture brought home by WW2 vets), as prior to all that cultural rebellion no self respecting man would be caught dead in public without a button down shirt and at least a vest or jacket.
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Why don’t you worry about your own kids lol
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If it offends a brother to have a beard, as long as the world stands I will not grow my whiskers long! If it offends my brother to shave my face then I wil grow my beard long! What is a Bro. to do? I think we have made minor personal grooming preferences far too important. At the same time, I have met some Christians who made it hard to take them serious because of the choices they have made in their personal appearance.
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It can't be of the bible because there is not one scripture that teaches against having a beard. I was raised in a UPC church that my pastor did not teach against beards, but most of the ministers in our state were against it. As a matter of fact I had a mustache when I was younger, and when I was going to get my license My pastor told me that I would need to shave as the men on the district board were against facial hair.

But the main reason that my pastor did not preach against beards was because there was no bible for it.
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Re: Should we teach others to rebel against standa

Just wondering if anyone ever heard this as well.

A person with leprosy was to grow hair above the upper lip and cry unclean. So that eyebrow under neath your nose is unclean.

I personally dont have a beard or mustache, I haven’t had one since I’ve been in the church about 19 years ago. At the start my Pastor preached against them, and then I grew with his conviction and it became my own.
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Assuming he didn't cause a big stink, is it not better for him to just leave than cause a big stink?
Yes.
My only problem is that he has had several other spiritual problems, over the last few years.
Due to not following what we all would say were laws/rules that are mandated by the Bible.
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Old 02-20-2020, 10:13 AM
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Yes.
My only problem is that he has had several other spiritual problems, over the last few years.
Due to not following what we all would say were laws/rules that are mandated by the Bible.
Sadly, that is typical. I have known very few who left over standards who didn't have other, worse spiritual issues. Standards was just an excuse. Most aren't in any church now.
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