Should we teach others to rebel against standards? - Page 79

loran adkins · #**781** 02-25-2020, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

My local assembly is probably not much different from yours. It doesn’t mean it agrees with the “apostolic model”.

Most churches today do not agree with the apostolic model, because of the Roman Catholics influence of the church over the last 1000 years. But that does not make it right. I believe we are so far from the way god intended for the church to be that it would be hard to get it right now, we have been indoctrinated so long that there is only supposed to be one man over a local assembly that we have a hard time seeing anything else.

Nicodemus1968 · #**782** 02-25-2020, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by loran adkins

Most churches today do not agree with the apostolic model, because of the Roman Catholics influence of the church over the last 1000 years. But that does not make it right. I believe we are so far from the way god intended for the church to be that it would be hard to get it right now, we have been indoctrinated so long that there is only supposed to be one man over a local assembly that we have a hard time seeing anything else.

Based on your thought, should we live as the apostles lived 2000 years ago? Not just the word of God, but the traditions that they lived by? I heard a message from an Old Apostolic preacher thats has since passed and he said, “if some of the elders thats have passed on would walk into your church's, they would spit!” Your talking a span of maybe 40-60 years, what would the apostles do if they walked into our church's... I think having one Pastor may be the last thing on the line. Let’s take our generation, how many remember the big, “your going to hell if you have a television in your home!” Now, the whole lot of us have cell phones, in my opinion, are more addictive that T.V. Did we evolve into accepting what we used to preach would send us to hell?

Nicodemus1968 · #**783** 02-25-2020, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

My local assembly is probably not much different from yours. It doesn’t mean it agrees with the “apostolic model”.

I’m praying that you have peace.

loran adkins · #**784** 02-25-2020, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Based on your thought, should we live as the apostles lived 2000 years ago? Not just the word of God, but the traditions that they lived by? I heard a message from an Old Apostolic preacher thats has since passed and he said, “if some of the elders thats have passed on would walk into your church's, they would spit!” Your talking a span of maybe 40-60 years, what would the apostles do if they walked into our church's... I think having one Pastor may be the last thing on the line. Let’s take our generation, how many remember the big, “your going to hell if you have a television in your home!” Now, the whole lot of us have cell phones, in my opinion, are more addictive that T.V. Did we evolve into accepting what we used to preach would send us to hell?

Times change and so does our understanding. Here is the thing, we argue and fuss about things that really have nothing to do with our salvation. Take drinking wine and beer for instance, wine and beer was the drink of choice as late as the 15th and 16th centuries, not because you would get drunk (although you would if you drank enough of it) but clean water was such a rare commodity wine and beer were made to replace it. What do you think those Christians drake when they came across on the mayflower?

Nicodemus1968 · #**785** 02-25-2020, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by loran adkins

Times change and so does our understanding. Here is the thing, we argue and fuss about things that really have nothing to do with our salvation. Take drinking wine and beer for instance, wine and beer was the drink of choice as late as the 15th and 16th centuries, not because you would get drunk (although you would if you drank enough of it) but clean water was such a rare commodity wine and beer were made to replace it. What do you think those Christians drake when they came across on the mayflower?

I agree with you. I firmly believe they’re absolutes in the Bible.

loran adkins · #**786** 02-25-2020, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

I agree with you. I firmly believe they’re absolutes in the Bible.

There are certainly absolutes in the word of God, but I also believe much of what we preach as absolutes are not in fact absolutes.

loran adkins · #**787** 02-25-2020, 07:22 AM

As for touching on the subject of this thread, I don't teach anyone to rebel against standards. But I also don't believe that one should stay in a church that teaches against things that you don't believe. Either get with the program or leave, without taking anyone with you.

If someone come to you with a heartfelt question and you can teach them without causing them to rebel then fine. I left UPCI over 10 years ago now, over many things I no longer believe the same way. But I don't try to get any one to believe the way I do. For the simple fact that in doing so I might make them lose the faith they have now.

take my mom and dad, they are still in the UPCI and still are set in their beliefs, I simply show them that I still have a Christian spirit, Mom still tries to get me to come to church, but I tell her it is not going to happen as I no longer believe the same way. But on the same hand I don't belittle them their standards.

Evang.Benincasa · #**788** 02-25-2020, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by loran adkins

As for touching on the subject of this thread, I don't teach anyone to rebel against standards. But I also don't believe that one should stay in a church that teaches against things that you don't believe. Either get with the program or leave, without taking anyone with you.

If someone come to you with a heartfelt question and you can teach them without causing them to rebel then fine. I left UPCI over 10 years ago now, over many things I no longer believe the same way. But I don't try to get any one to believe the way I do. For the simple fact that in doing so I might make them lose the faith they have now.

take my mom and dad, they are still in the UPCI and still are set in their beliefs, I simply show them that I still have a Christian spirit, Mom still tries to get me to come to church, but I tell her it is not going to happen as I no longer believe the same way. But on the same hand I don't belittle them their standards.

Good post.

But I would go to church with mom.