Government Stimulus?

[Birddog]

Originally Posted by n david

You're an idiot.

Uh huh, and you are a ignorant and unlearned flea who doesn't have a clue of the environment....


But I digress.

[Birddog]

Originally Posted by n david

Will be fun when one of the church members tells him to kick rocks and tells him he won't do what Spell tells him to do.

Don't expect church members to respect authority when the Pastor doesn't.

Not gonna happen, they are with him on this, watch and see. Again, you must be ignorant.

[Birddog]

Originally Posted by n david

You must live in a bubble don't you?

[Birddog]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Should he have one, if he loses his 501c3 the church will likely go under. Especially if the local IRS decides to make an example of him. They can hit him for back property, salary, and ministerial taxes from when the 501c3 was first given, plus new taxes on property, salaries, and etc. That could be in the high thousands at this point.

I am not saying he should or shouldn't do anything. But it's not an automatic win-win for him and the church.

Really? This is going to turn into a local problem where the city is going to back down. Spell wins.

The national Guard says they aren't going to get involved so it's going to remain local.

Spell wins and he will have more people out of this at the end of the day.

This is not going to go the llc or 501c3, this is going to remain local.

He runs how many buses? He is in the Bible belt!! Nope, don't see this hurting him at all.

Now all the others who closed churches? They are going to get questioned as to why they closed when this one stayed open.

They are going to appear weak. Spell wins.

[Birddog]

It just dawned on me sir, you are one of those preachers who shut down their church and now are feeling the heat because you caved!!

I got it now!!!

Forgive me for being slow!!!

Don't be amazed when the saints there don't come back. You deserved it.

[Birddog]

Sorry folks, gotta go!!!!

Got church tonight, plan on running the aisle and hearing the Word!!!

I'd live stream but we don't do that....

Plan on praying folks through to the Holy Ghost!!!

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Birddog

Sorry folks, gotta go!!!!

Got church tonight, plan on running the aisle and hearing the Word!!!

I'd live stream but we don't do that....

Plan on praying folks through to the Holy Ghost!!!

Amen!

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Birddog

Really? This is going to turn into a local problem where the city is going to back down. Spell wins.

The national Guard says they aren't going to get involved so it's going to remain local.

Spell wins and he will have more people out of this at the end of the day.

This is not going to go the llc or 501c3, this is going to remain local.

He runs how many buses? He is in the Bible belt!! Nope, don't see this hurting him at all.

Now all the others who closed churches? They are going to get questioned as to why they closed when this one stayed open.

They are going to appear weak. Spell wins.

That's not what the Guard rep said. He said we have not been tasked. Meaning, no official word has yet been given. You have to understand the legalese these folks use to mask intent. But for everyone's sake, I hope the church "wins", as you say. But it's by no means clear as of yet that that will be the case.

[Tithesmeister]

I’m just going to comment. Things are getting pretty heated on here, so I’m not responding directly to anyone. I’m just giving my opinion.

There are many opinions, but this is a legal matter at the end of the day. The church is not under authority of the state. This fact is part of the bill of rights. However, their is such a thing as abdicating those rights. If I understand correctly, (and I have studied it somewhat) if the church is a 501c3 it has abdicated its rights as a religious organization, and submitted themselves to the authority of the state of Louisiana as an incorporated person in that state.

So if Brother Spell’s Church is a 501c3, it changes everything, legally. If they are NOT a 501c3, it is a pretty much open and shut case, from a legal perspective. The state of Louisiana, or the USA government have no authority over the ability of the church to assemble and worship.

Meanwhile, whether they are, or are not, a 501c3, you have the reality that someone, theoretically the state of Louisiana, or the federal government, has to bring charges,against someone, theoretically Brother Spell, for breaking a law. It seems very weak to me. I believe charges would have to be brought against every individual person who was in the building. Because adults have the authority to make their own decisions, according to the law, and the Bible. So I don’t see any chance of the state making charges stick against Brother Spell for something that I did or didn’t do. So, if I’m right, everyone who arrived at the service that numbered over fifty, would have to be charged individually for breaking the law. So, it’s going to be complicated. And it’ll never go anywhere , in my opinion.

Politically it would be suicide for a politician in Louisiana to take a stand against the church.

I’m not saying Brother Spell is right, I’m not saying he’s wrong, I’m just saying that legally, he’s on pretty solid footing. In my opinion.

[Tithesmeister]

This politician and I mostly agree. This is from the article referenced earlier, but I don’t think anyone posted this.

U.S. Congressman Clay Higgins, a Republican from Louisiana, sent a letter to the governor last week saying he believes the limit on the size of church gatherings is unconstitutional.
“I agree that all our constituents and religious leaders should follow the recommendation of the Centers for Disease Control & Prevention (CDC),” Higgins wrote. “However, the decision to gather should be the choice of the individual or institution and not a mandate by any government entity. The state has no authority to enforce this proclamation nor any ban on worship.”

In reference to the statement in bold, I believe it is the decision of the individual, and NOT necessarily the institution. Then you would be holding an institution accountable for the actions of individuals. And that seems unlikely to me, from a legal standpoint.