The Manchild Ministry 45 Minutes

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by coksiw

I don't think you truly understand what Oneness Pentecostalism believes if what you are describing is what you think they believe.

Oneness Pentecostalism in general, including most minister in the UPCI, don't believe in dispensationalism, but don't believe in the total replacement theology
either.

How long have you been in "Oneness" Pentecostalism?

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by coksiw

I don't think you truly understand what Oneness Pentecostalism believes if what you are describing is what you think they believe.

Oneness Pentecostalism in general, including most minister in the UPCI, don't believe in dispensationalism, but don't believe in the total replacement theology
either.

Brother Esaias is correct. He was responding to my post, the people i was talking about that believe in a bride for both God, and Christ are in the UPC organization. I’m not saying all ministers in the UPC believe that, yet in Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Illinois thats what they taught me while I was growing up.

That was there way of separating the bride of Christ from the nation of Israel. They taught us literally that the nation of Israel was Gods chosen people. Meanwhile, the church was the bride of Christ.

Not sure on this, yet isn’t that what Irvin Baxter believed? If he did, he knows whats right now....

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Brother Esaias is correct. He was responding to my post, the people i was talking about that believe in a bride for both God, and Christ are in the UPC organization. I’m not saying all ministers in the UPC believe that, yet in Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Illinois thats what they taught me while I was growing up.

That was there way of separating the bride of Christ from the nation of Israel. They taught us literally that the nation of Israel was Gods chosen people. Meanwhile, the church was the bride of Christ.

Not sure on this, yet isn’t that what Irvin Baxter believed? If he did, he knows whats right now....

Pastor Rooks who use to pastor in Cooper City Florida was staunch PRE TRIBULATION RAPTURE. Irvin Baxter Jr was Dispensationalist Post Tribulation Rapture of the Church. The vast majority of Apostolics are Dispensationalists whether they call themselves that or not. Whether they fully understand what dispensationalism is or not. Elder James LeDeay who I went back and forth with for years over eschatology. Is Pre Tribulation Rapture of the Church Dispensationalism. I bring him up, because while not a Classical Dispensationalist believer he heavily modified Dispensationalism to fit his views. Seriously, for any objective outsider who reads our rants throughout this forum can see that no matter if anyone claims to be of the same eschatology, Post or Pre tribulation, pan or idealist. They all disagree at some point. Pentecostalism has no creed other than Jesus left and Jesus will return someday. Period. Anything in between those two events are totally an ecclesiastical smorgasbord. What is totally ignored in Christendom at large is that the book of the Revelation has a dire warning for those who add or take away from its contents.

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by 1 God

Clarification: The Holy Ghost is a gift from God in our personal possession. It will never, throughout eternity, leave us or forsake us. It is free and forever. It is ours(indwelling us). I hope others realize that too.

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[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by diakonos

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Sean believes the Holy Ghost is a bird.

He needs a NIV.

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Are they mostly post trib futurists?

Most dispensationalists believe in pre-trib but not all. Also, you don't need to be dispensationalist to believe in pre-trib.

UPCI allows people to believe some sort of dispensationalism. You won't be kicked out because of that, however, they state that you can't be dispensationalist as it is taught and oneness apostolic pentecostal. Bernard says you have to either modify dispensationalism or drop it all together. All License ministers in the UPCI are required to read a book about apostolic biblical interpretation that states what I just said.

If you want to read more about the UPCI teaching on the topic, here is an article about it from David K Bernard: https://www.apostolic.edu/dispensati...stal-theology/

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by coksiw

Most dispensationalists believe in pre-trib but not all. Also, you don't need to be dispensationalist to believe in pre-trib.

UPCI allows people to believe some sort of dispensationalism. You won't be kicked out because of that, however, they state that you can't be dispensationalist as it is taught and oneness apostolic pentecostal. Bernard says you have to either modify dispensationalist or drop it all together. All License ministers in the UPCI are required to read a book about apostolic biblical interpretation that states what I just said.

If you want to read more about it, here is an article about the topic from David K Bernard: https://www.apostolic.edu/dispensati...stal-theology/

While guess what, while you are looking around the Internet and reading material that only a few read. You will find that they all hold to dispensationalist views. Like I said, Elder James LeDeay was a Dispensationalist but modified the eschatology to fit his beliefs. He did that, without reading Brother David Bernard's book. In short, they all modify their beliefs as time marches on.

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

While guess what, while you are looking around the Internet and reading material that only a few read. You will find that they all hold to dispensationalist views. Like I said, Elder James LeDeay was a Dispensationalist but modified the eschatology to fit his beliefs. He did that, without reading Brother David Bernard's book. In short, they all modify their beliefs as time marches on.

EB, since the very first time you preached the Gospel to someone to this day your understanding of things hasn't changed? What's wrong with changing? are you saying they changed for the wrong reasons?

BTW, who is Elder James LeDeay? You keep mentioning his name.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by coksiw

Most dispensationalists believe in pre-trib but not all. Also, you don't need to be dispensationalist to believe in pre-trib.

UPCI allows people to believe some sort of dispensationalism. You won't be kicked out because of that, however, they state that you can't be dispensationalist as it is taught and oneness apostolic pentecostal. Bernard says you have to either modify dispensationalism or drop it all together. All License ministers in the UPCI are required to read a book about apostolic biblical interpretation that states what I just said.

If you want to read more about the UPCI teaching on the topic, here is an article about it from David K Bernard: https://www.apostolic.edu/dispensati...stal-theology/

Thank you. What is the title of the book about apostolic biblical interpretation?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by coksiw

EB, since the very first time you preached the Gospel to someone to this day your understanding of things hasn't changed? What's wrong with changing? are you saying they changed for the wrong reasons?

BTW, who is Elder James LeDeay? You keep mentioning his name.

Bro, I'm not talking about someone going from Dispensationalist to Historic Post tribulation. No, I'm talking about people who claim they believe the same exact thing. Yet, in reality they just bounce around the return of Jesus, the Tribulation, and use the evening news to interpret the book of the Revelation. Like the United States airlifting Jews in 1945 becoming the woman in the wilderness with eagle wings. Yet, the guy right next to that bloke, might totally disagree and say he believes in the same advent as the guy next to him. The only thing that changes us is age and more understanding. Understanding of the Bible and the ancient history surrounding it.

Elder James LeDeay can be found in the eschatology section of this forum.