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Originally Posted by Esaias
Which was originally to seven assemblies located in Asia Minor (modern Turkey), and from there to all of God's churches. Not sure exactly how "who was it addressed to" bears on the question of "Was chapter 12 fulfilled completely within the first century, or not?" though. Please explain?
Not sure what these statements are supposed to be saying. In regards to "the 3.5 years of the siege by the gentiles", I will repost my statements on the subject from here: http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...5&postcount=99Titus besieged Jerusalem just before the Feast of Unleavened Bread (spring), AD 70, 4783 of the Julian Period (Roman) calendar. He breached the Wall of Antonia in July and the Romans entered the city. In August, the Romans burnt the Temple, set up their ensigns on its eastern (main) gate, made sacrifices, and proclaimed Titus as Imperator. The final routs were completed by September 8 (on the Sabbath, incidentally). The city was ordered razed to its foundations and flattened, and ploughed over, according to Roman custom.
The siege and battle of Jerusalem lasted about 6 and a half months. It was then placed under the custody of the Tenth Legion.
There was no "42 month siege" of Jerusalem.
What is that time frame? Please explain.
Please explain how and why anyone is removing its fulfillment beyond that time, and how and why that would be disservice to the point of the book? And, who is the "who would need to know" you speak of? And what predetermined interpretation are you speaking of? Hopefully not futurism, because I already showed that approach was ruled out. |
You are right, When I used the word "siege," I was not referring to the actual attack, but from the time they saw Jerusalem surrounded by the gentiles, they fled, and were protected in the wilderness by God, as a hen protects her young.
It seems you added a word that seems to remove to whom it was written to to remove it from them, and that word you wrote is "originally." I say it was written to them and for them, even though we can learn from it, and certain aspects we can glean from, but it wasn't to us.
I do believe
Rev 12 was fulfilled in the first century, and is a depiction, using symbolic language, of the struggles, attacks and victory of the first century church.
The church, (the true Israel) fled Jerusalem and was protected for 3.5 years, while Jerusalem was ravaged and went through her destruction.
The "time frame" is pretty much limited to what is written, "shortly come to pass," "the time is at hand," and other such limiting declarations.
To remove it from to whom it was addressed, and to when it says it was for, we need clear proof, and not speculation, but we must take it and understand it as they did, the ones it was addressed to.
That is how I see it.
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