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Originally Posted by Tithesmeister
Brother,
Just quote scripture where someone is referred to as pastor so and so. If I remember correctly the leaders are required to be servants, which is what minister meant in the Bible. We have changed the definition of minister.
If we are truly Apostolic, we should recognize that we are supposed to ALL possess spiritual gifts. The gifts are diverse but they are all of the same Spirit. We worship the Spirit, not the human. Or we should.
Does anyone ever address someone gifted in tongues and interpretation by an exalted title? Why the pastor? If brother so and so is sufficient for an elder or deacon, (an uncompensated office) why should it not be sufficient for the pastor?
Why is there no scripture instructing us to address the pastor as a higher up deserving a special title?
If it is important as preachers seem to think it is, it sure seems that there would be scripture to instruct us to do so.
I have heard so many visiting preachers spend so much time bragging on the pastor. It brings to mind a scripture.
1Corinthians 1:29
[29] That no flesh should glory in his presence.
These preachers must not believe God is present in the building. They sure seem to glorify the flesh a lot. Maybe it’s a money thing. Bragging on the one who makes the decision to call them to preach is probably beneficial to their bank account.
Those are my thoughts anyway. |
Ephesians 4:11-12
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Who is the "he"?
If Pastors, Teachers, Evangelists, Apostles, and Prophets are not important, then "he" should never gave them to the church. For perfecting the saints, for the work of the ministry, or for the edifying of the body.
But there is a reason why, 'he" didn't just say everyone will be for the work of the ministry, perfecting the saints, and edifying the body. Those offices, positions that Paul mentioned are specifically mentioned for a reason.
I don't need to show you scripture that states, "Pastor Nicodemus" to understand how important it is being a Pastor.
Why didn't "he" just say, I give you servants? Because, that is a spirit we should all possess, yet not everyone is called to be a Pastor, or Prophet, or an Aspostle.
I Corinthians 12:28-31
28And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 30Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
31But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
Not everyone is an Apostle, (I know you don't like titles, but that's what it says) not everyone is a Prophet, (
, sorry there it is again) not everyone interprets. Maybe God should've given Paul a proper title for interpreter, but he didn't.
The point is not everyone is called to be a Pastor, or a Teacher in the realm of that office. Now, you can probably teach with the best of them, yet that may not be your ministry.
*Red Highlighted*
Can you tell me what the "Best Gifts" are, and why would Paul say that?
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