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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK
I did recognize it. I even brought up the Adam and Eve thing. What I talking about is that the devil using the trinity as a tool is ubsurd. It is a dumb thought. Tritheism is on a whole different level than believing in a trinity. Sure the devil wants to confuse people. But I think that we people that think we are sooooo smart and got things figured out do the work for him. We confuse each other. You know what though if God did not want us to see Himself as more than just Jesus then why does he have different manifestation? Burning bush, etc.
The Shemah is straight. Trinitarians do not serve different gods. They serve one as do I. To a Jew God has different manifestations too. Does that mean that a Jew is wrong for that belief?
No it is not. That is a crazy statement. Trinitarians may see the Godhead wrong, but they are not being led astray by anything other than a misunderstanging pastor or teacher.
The devil wants us in sin. If he can steer us off track to get there that is what he wants. But to say it is damnable is childish. How can they hear with out a preacher. Is there room for revelation? Yes! Then let that room exist. You and others are writting these people off as if they have stamped their ticket to hell.
In the BOLD statement above....
The devil wants the attention we give to God. The devil tries to take our affection and turn it toward him. Believing in the trinity does not turn anyone toward the devil. In human nature there is always a desire to know God more. We always want to go deeper in knowledge of Him. But when people say things like you and others are saying it only separates us from God. The reason is people stand there with a God stick beating everyone up.
I respect you alot PP, but I think that you are wrong here. IMO
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JT, I have said this before but it bears repeating. Of course you dont see the doctrine of the trinity as a bad thing. neither that doctrine nor what it leads to (namely baptism in the titles) as an issue! Of course you think anyone who doesnt believe like you do is wrong.
For you, repentance is salvation. Period. all the rest become acts of the saved. Not so with those of us who believe the Water Spirit doctrine. thus baptism is very important.
I take exception with your assessmenet. Your problem with me isnt that I believe that the doctrine of the trinity has condemned more people than any other thing. Your problem with me is that I dont believe you are saved when you repent.
you can call it stupid or dumb all you want but if you take Peter's words at face value, as I do, there are repurcussions...
the trinity doesnt necessarily turn people away from God but it sure gives them a false sense of security. As far as I am concerned that is as bad if not worse.
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