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Originally Posted by votivesoul
Continue with the quote from Philippians 3 and what do you find? That Paul considered his entire heritage as a Jew as "dung". Further, he wrote in Galatians that there is "neither Jew nor Greek". In Romans 2, Paul wrote that only the one who is inwardly circumcized, in the heart, is "a Jew".
There is nothing to suggest that Paul's ethnic Jewishness had any impact on his theology or manner of life. Rather, it was his respect and obedience to the Torah that matters, and Paul referred to it liberally, even decades after the New Covenant at Pentecost, as the guiding force for his behavior, like when he quoted from it regarding not reviling the High Priest.
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There is no possible way for it to not have impact. Does your childhood not effect your adult life? God doesnt erase our memories when he calls, instead he uses our life experiences. Some things we must be delivered from and somethings become a strength to us. You keep saying the word Torah, but my English bible doesnt use the term Torah. Instead, Paul references it as simply the law.
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This is a cop-out. Reverence to leadership exists within the Judeo-Christian worldview because it comes from the Torah. Without the law commanding it, there is no principle or precedent for it within the Judeo-Christian worldview.
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I am not debating there is no principle or precedent contained in the law.
Galatians 3:24
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
The law leads us to Christ. The moral teachings still have applications, but not according to the letter. Those laws have been fulfilled and to say otherwise is to make the cross in vain.
Galatians 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Galatians 2:21
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
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You have quoted multiple times from Galatians and elsewhere attempting to show that his doctrine requires the belief that the law is, or engenders bondage. This means any attempt at keeping the "law" is therefore a fall from grace, a return to Hagar, as it were. And yet, the man who wrote these texts, to which you have referred, frequently quotes from the law, that is, from the Torah, in order to demand action and govern behavior in the church, up to and including, his own.
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Yes, he quotes often from the OT as a reference to establish NT doctrine. He does not insist the NT church go back and learn the law in order to know how to be Christian. The law was righteous, yet it was just shadow of what was to come (Jesus).
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You can't have it both ways. Either the law is abrogated, since if you don't keep it all, you are then guilty of all, such as you've presented it, or the law, all of it, is still in effect.
You can't seem to make up your mind.
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I don’t want it both ways and I have made up my mind. I don’t seek the righteousness that comes from the law, but from Jesus Christ.
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2 Corinthians 3:6-7
6......Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7......But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to
be done away:
I will stick with what is plainly stated by scripture.