Mark of the Beast may be only 2 1/2 years away - Page 13

Nicodemus1968 · #**121** 05-09-2024, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

8 months to go?

We're 4 years away from 40th anniversary of "88 reasons why God is coming back in 1988!"

loran adkins · #**122** 05-09-2024, 09:31 AM

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I think Bowas may be misunderstanding what exactly my question here is. I am NOT saying "the Final Judgment did not happen because it cannot have happened." What "i am saying is this - IF the Biblical "final judgment" of the dead has already occurred, then what basis does anyone have for thinking there would be any other judgment for men after they die? Does the Bible speak of final judgments after the final judgment of the dead?

If a person believes the general judgment of the dead described in the Bible has already happened, and ALSO believes that anyone who dies AFTER that judgment has taken place nevertheless still faces an after death judgment, then WHY? Why do they believe that? They cannot point to the scriptures that speak of judgment, since those have all been relegated to an already done event. So where then is the evidence upon which to base our faith in a future after death judgment with rewards and punishments?

Does the Bible speak of a general judgment of mankind OTHER THAN the one spoken of in the New Testament? Does the Bible clearly identify a general judgment of all the dead in AD 70, and then another general judgment of everybody else at some point in the future?

I hope my question is clear. I am simply asking for "what is the text or data point to support belief in a still future after death judgment and state of reward and punishment for those who missed the divine court date in the first century?

Just a thought on this, first who was the bible written to and for? The nation of Israel, it seems that we forget this. Therefore the final judgment was to the nation of Israel not to the world or Gentile nations. Yes Christ came to the world for the world that the world could all come to God by faith in Christ. But in order for that to happen, needed to come the end of the Old physical kingdom in order for the New Spiritual Kingdom could come to pass. Jesus said, "this generation shall not pass until all this shall come to pass."

We keep looking for the end, yet scripture tells us that this new kingdom is without end. All the promises in scripture are with us right now, how much they are with you as an individual is based on your faith. Are there hardships going to be in your life? Yes, that is life, but God is with you through it all. We look for a kingdom without hardships a utopia if you please, but even in the book of Revelation we see there are sinners

Rev 21:24.. And the nations of those who are saved will walk in the light of it; and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it...
Rev 21:25.. And its gates may not be shut at all by day, for there shall be no night there...
Rev 21:26.. And they shall bring the glory and honor of the nations into it...
Rev 21:27.. And there shall in no way enter into it anything that defiles, or any making an abomination or a lie; but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life...

Where do you think those that would defile, or make and abomination would come from if there were no evil in the world?

Rev 22:2.. In the midst of its street, and of the river, from here and from there, was the Tree of Life, which bore twelve fruits, each yielding its fruit according to one month. And the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations...

Why again would the nations need healing if there were no sin?

If God is not with you like the scripture says check your faith and walk with God.

Esaias · #**123** 05-09-2024, 11:30 AM

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Just a thought on this, first who was the bible written to and for? The nation of Israel, it seems that we forget this. Therefore the final judgment was to the nation of Israel not to the world or Gentile nations.

Now that's a new one. The final judgment was to the nation of Israel not to the world or Gentile nations. So the world and the Gentile nations were not subject to the second death to begin with, it did not apply to them.

Which means what? Either there never was and never can be "salvation" for the world and the Gentile nations, or we have no idea what the fate of the world and Gentile nations is after death since the Bible doesn't address that.

As for anyone forgetting that the Bible was written to and for Israel, yes people do seem to forget that. They also seem to forger that Israel was to become a multitude of nations (literally "gentiles") and most of them were legally declared to be "gentiles" way back in Hosea. But that's a different subject than the fate of all humans after death.

Amanah · #**124** 05-09-2024, 11:45 AM

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Now that's a new one. The final judgment was to the nation of Israel not to the world or Gentile nations. So the world and the Gentile nations were not subject to the second death to begin with, it did not apply to them.

Which means what? Either there never was and never can be "salvation" for the world and the Gentile nations, or we have no idea what the fate of the world and Gentile nations is after death since the Bible doesn't address that.

As for anyone forgetting that the Bible was written to and for Israel, yes people do seem to forget that. They also seem to forger that Israel was to become a multitude of nations (literally "gentiles") and most of them were legally declared to be "gentiles" way back in Hosea. But that's a different subject than the fate of all humans after death.

Yes!

God's plan was for Israel to be a nation of Kings and Priests for the redemption and judgement of the nations

Genesis 12 Now the Lord said to Abram, “Go from your country and your kindred and your father's house to the land that I will show you. 2 And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. 3 I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”

But Israel was scattered throughout the gentile nations

Now the Israel of God (gentiles) is to be a Nation of Kings and Priests to rule and reign the earth.

We are taking paradise back!

Evang.Benincasa · #**125** 05-09-2024, 04:25 PM

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Deuteronomy 31:19-21 KJV
Now therefore write ye this song for you, and teach it the children of Israel: put it in their mouths, that this song may be a witness for me against the children of Israel. [20] For when I shall have brought them into the land which I sware unto their fathers, that floweth with milk and honey; and they shall have eaten and filled themselves, and waxen fat; then will they turn unto other gods, and serve them, and provoke me, and break my covenant. [21] And it shall come to pass, when many evils and troubles are befallen them, that this song shall testify against them as a witness; for it shall not be forgotten out of the mouths of their seed: for I know their imagination which they go about, even now, before I have brought them into the land which I sware.

It was for Israel.

When was it fulfilled?