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I guess I never really put much thought into this. But, I don’t see how biblical references to His blood would be anything other than pointing to His sacrificial death on the cross.
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Like when people say that there is power in the name of Jesus. Is it power, or is it authority that the name represents?
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I guess I never really put much thought into this. But, I don’t see how biblical references to His blood would be anything other than pointing to His sacrificial death on the cross.
"Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins".

"The life (soul) of the flesh is in the blood".

Seems there is an emphasis not merely upon the death of the sacrificial victim, but on the pouring out of the victim's BLOOD. The sacrifices were killed and their blood poured out, they weren't suffocated or drowned or just strangled. So there is an importance attached to the "shed blood" which goes beyond the mere "dying". Obviously, the blood wouldn't mean anything if Christ didn't actually die. But His death was pre-ordained to include blood shedding, in keeping with the ancient patterns established prior to the Flood regarding sacrifice.
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Wait, do people actually believe that the blood had real power, and it is not a reference to His death? Is that why people “plead” the blood of Jesus?
Technically, "pleading the blood of Jesus" regarding someone or something would mean praying for God to apply the merits of Christ's death to that person or situation. (Boy that sounded catholic, didn't it? lol)

But in practice people "plead the blood of Jesus" like it's some kind of magical spell, kind of like women laying their uncut hair on people or whatnot in order to "boost" the power of prayer? At least that is how it often came across to me. It is very common in charismatic circles.

Then again, handkerchiefs were brought from the apostle's body and given to sick folk for them to get their healing, "special miracles", etc. So, I don't sweat it too much unless it's obviously going in an unbiblical direction.
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"Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins".

"The life (soul) of the flesh is in the blood".

Seems there is an emphasis not merely upon the death of the sacrificial victim, but on the pouring out of the victim's BLOOD. The sacrifices were killed and their blood poured out, they weren't suffocated or drowned or just strangled. So there is an importance attached to the "shed blood" which goes beyond the mere "dying". Obviously, the blood wouldn't mean anything if Christ didn't actually die. But His death was pre-ordained to include blood shedding, in keeping with the ancient patterns established prior to the Flood regarding sacrifice.
Yes, I understand that.
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Technically, "pleading the blood of Jesus" regarding someone or something would mean praying for God to apply the merits of Christ's death to that person or situation. (Boy that sounded catholic, didn't it? lol)

But in practice people "plead the blood of Jesus" like it's some kind of magical spell, kind of like women laying their uncut hair on people or whatnot in order to "boost" the power of prayer? At least that is how it often came across to me. It is very common in charismatic circles.

Then again, handkerchiefs were brought from the apostle's body and given to sick folk for them to get their healing, "special miracles", etc. So, I don't sweat it too much unless it's obviously going in an unbiblical direction.
Well, people plead the blood over their car, their job, their finances…


I have not done so to my home, nor have I anointed my home with oil, as is the practice of many.
Kinda recently on the internets, there was a vid posted of a woman that wanted to apply the blood of Jesus to her home, so she poured grape juice around the perimeter. She didn’t even buy Welch’s. She used the Kroger brand.
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Wait, do people actually believe that the blood had real power, and it is not a reference to His death? Is that why people “plead” the blood of Jesus?
What? You've never seen Ben Hur?
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What? You've never seen Ben Hur?
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