John MacArthur Didn't like to speak in tongues.

[diakonos]

Where did you carefully answer specific questions?

[diakonos]

The very fact that you insist on "proof" simply reflects your lack of good faith.

What!?

[diakonos]

Last night I was visited by a leprechaun riding a pink Pegasus.

I didn’t get a pic because my phone was charging.

Believe me.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

Right, to skeptics and unbelievers in general, nothing can be "proven".

We are admonished in 1 John 4:1 to not believe everyone who claims to speak by the Holy Ghost. You must test these individuals to see if the spirit they have comes from God. Just because someone claims to have met an angel in the forest of Palmyra New York. Who gets visions when they stare at a stone at the bottom of their hat, must not be believed at face value. Or a woman writing more epistles than the Apostle Paul. Telling everyone that one day a law will be enforced to demand we all worship on Sunday. Ron Wyatt is making claims which he could or would never prove. Again, it isn't my job to prove he is wrong. It is your job to prove that he is right. Since you advocate his stories as holy writ. How dare you tell people all they need to do is have "faith" in Ron Wyatt's stories? Skeptics? Unbelievers? Seriously? Ron Wyatt isn't a prophet, an apostle of God. Steve, please prayerfully consider Proverbs 14:15. Which simply put states, the idiot believes everything they read or hear, but the cautious checks carefully where he is heading. Good God from Zion! As ministers we can't just advocate some joker who walks into a church service to tell us when he went to Tel Aviv he found Jesus' baby clothes.

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

The very fact that you insist on "proof" simply reflects your lack of good faith.

Well Steve, that is because we are told in our Bibles in 1st Thessalonians 5:21 that we are to test all things, and hold to that which is good. This is because these same individuals from Thessaloniki were called noble by the writer Luke in Acts 17:11. Because they wanted to make sure that Paul was teaching truth. Again, 1 John 4:1 tells us to not believe every spirit, but we are to test them. We are told throughout the Bible not to place our trust in men. Psalm 146:3, Isaiah 2:22, and Jeremiah 17:5

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

Another example.
I would prefer that you did not brazenly fabricate.
Makes you the liar.

The actual skeptics are far more honest than you.

Excuse me? Fabricate? Everything about this Wyatt situation is based on a negative. There is no evidence! Nada, zero, zilch. Big goose eggs all around. You were asked, where is the blood sample of Jesus Christ located? Where is the copies of the tests? Who were the Israeli doctors who performed the tests? You go dead silent and then post nothing, but accusations against me not having faith in the stories of some SDA? That my boy is frustrating to say the least.

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

Your acrid posting just clogs up the airways in case there are some folks here who do want to discuss all the amazing Biblical archaeology issues.

Folks here or anywhere else on the planet, believe archeology to be evidence of the past. You and Ron Wyatt have no evidence of the Ark of the Covenant. Not even one angel feather.

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

My studies today were going back to comparing the blood research on the shroud of Turin with the test from Ron Wyatt showing 24 chromosomes.

You are kidding right? 24 chromosomes from the shroud of Turin? OK, research you say? Alright, what did you learn? Please I await this information with bated breath.

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

And I was trying to follow some of the material from Kelly P. Kearse on the shroud. And this leads to some other little known study. (Yes, I am pro-shroud, the argument RCC relic is really weak and in a sense chronologically false, they were late to the table.)

Little known study you say? How little known is it?

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

All this is not my highest priority, one reason I don't write long essays when someone says "jump". However, when there is good conversation, I try to give it a go!

I appreciate all attempts to do your utmost best to prove Ron Wyatt's story of the four angels and the Ark of the Covenant.

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

Notice that when I did carefully answer specific questions here, it was like water off a Pentecostal Duck's Back.

What's that supposed to mean?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by diakonos

Last night I was visited by a leprechaun riding a pink Pegasus.

I didn’t get a pic because my phone was charging.

Believe me.

[Amanah]

I'm not arguing for or against but this is interesting

https://youtu.be/6HVyuNClk9A?si=ArWkxTXLtVJ_oNxf

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[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I'm not arguing for or against but this is interesting

https://youtu.be/6HVyuNClk9A?si=ArWkxTXLtVJ_oNxf

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Luke 24:12 But Peter arose and ran to the tomb; and stooping down, he saw the linen cloths lying by themselves; and he departed, marveling to himself at what had happened.

The scripture doesn't agree with a shroud, but with strips which Jesus was wrapped in. Like a mummy. When Joseph was taken out of Egypt he was mummified. The Israelites took their burial practices from the Egyptians, not the Romans, or Medieval Europe who used burial shrouds. Yet, even if we didn't have a debate on history, we still have the record of the scriptures.

In John 20:6-7 we have a more detailed description of how Jesus was buried.

Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie, And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.

John 20:7 brings doubt to the whole shroud story. The Bible describes that Peter didn't find a single shroud of cloth. But Peter found the windings. Because both scriptures say linen cloths, which we understand as the winding strips. In John 6:7 we are also directed to a face cloth, napkin, a handkerchief. Jesus was wrapped in linen, not laid in a sheet that cover the body, front and back. Jesus' head was wrapped in a napkin, and His body wrapped in clothes.

In my opinion the scripture doesn't back up a shroud, but windings and a face winding. The scripture made a point to note these things.

Thank you Sister Amanah for the video.

[Steven Avery]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I'm not arguing for or against but this is interesting

https://youtu.be/6HVyuNClk9A?si=ArWkxTXLtVJ_oNxf

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Yes, Jeremiah J. Johnston has some good stuff.
His twitter account points to various studies, an example..

Jeremiah J. Johnston, PhD reposted
https://x.com/ErickStakelbeck/status...95741151666584

And we have this:

WHO IS THE MAN IN THE SHROUD?
A Traveling Exhibit on The Shroud of Turin and Jesus’s resurrection
https://christianthinkers.com/pages/...-of-the-shroud

Remember, though, that our skeptics will insist that you, or any presenter, prove authenticity, to their satisfaction. Otherwise they will simply whine . Clearly, they are not interested in searching for truth, everything is a child's petulant challenge game.

And I saw an excellent presentation once by Russ Breault at an Orland Christian conference, with prophecy types there. I had been sympathetic to Shroud authenticity, his presentation made it that much more definite.

[Steven Avery]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

a face winding.

The Sudarium of Oviedo.

[Steven Avery]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Brother Steven, you offer us Rebecca Tourbiaire? Why? I looked her up and only found this thread on a Google Search. Who is she, and why should we care?

Rebecca worked closely with Ron and did those amazing videos with his sons and is quite well informed.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Look, you are supposed to have undeniable proof that Ron Wyatt wasn't a ecclesiastical grifter.

Please pay attention.
I never claimed to be able to prove ANYTHING to someone like you.

You like your "liar" rants, and do not really go beyond that.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

his kids were helping their dad push the lie. .

How much of the video with his sons did you watch?