John MacArthur Didn't like to speak in tongues.

[Steven Avery]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Asked and answered. Did you miss it? You've now accused an elder and minister in the Lord of not listening to videos he clearly said he listened to.

Thanks.

He danced around so many times I missed his abbreviated answer.

Now, where are they “liars”?

The question is for you as well.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

So then you should indicate the specific lies you claim in the nine videos.

Steven, let me help you out. In your passionate defense of the Wyatt story, you are focusing on the videos of the Wyatt boys? You haven’t answered my questions. Questions concerning the laboratory, the individuals who supposedly found the 24 chromosomes scraped off the fictitious mercy seat? The questions if YOU believed the story of the four angels and the reason for the tablet reveal? The the tablets would be revealed at the fulfillment of the Ellen G White prophecy concerning the Sunday Law? Since the Wyatt boys speak primarily on the excavations, you feel it’s a safe bet you keep harping on their interviews? Steve, they are liars because they NEVER denounced their father’s insanity. They knew their father NEVER found the ark, NEVER spoke to an angel, let alone four of them. Steven, you yourself totally understand that Wyatt dropped the watermelon concerning his reprobate story about the angels telling him that Ellen G Whites prophecy is legit. Brother Steve, you are fighting a losing battle and you know it. Don’t shoot the messenger because he is making too much sense. Just admit the whole Wyatt family are nothing more than reprobates grifting the people.

[Steven Avery]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Steve, they are liars because they NEVER denounced their father’s insanity..

Ok, so you were being deceptive in calling them “liars”.

Simple enough.

[Steven Avery]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Also, regarding the shroud and the "sudarium", how is it that the Beast church of satan has been preserving all these "proofs" of the resurrection of Christ? Is it not more likely that these relics are either falsifications, forgeries, or outright "lying signs and wonders"? I mean, seriously?

The RCC came in late.

To make an issue about the fact that western Europe was largely catholic in the medieval years can be a genetic fallacy.

Otangelo Grasso
Chronological List of Pre-1356 Literature Mentioning the Shroud and Christ's Burial Cloth

https://www.academia.edu/142993891/C...s_Burial_Cloth

https://www.purebibleforum.com/index...42/#post-23412

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1251...88055055456636

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The Abgar of Edessa material is fascinating.

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A fellow named Mark Guscin also has a paper about how the Sudarium of Oviedo got to Spain from Jerusalem in AD 700

The History Of The Sudarium Of Oviedo: How It Came From Jerusalem To Northern Spain In The Seventh Century A.D.

This youtube discusses the date issues.
"History on the Sudarium of Ovideo with Dr. Mark Guscin"

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[Steven Avery]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Since the Wyatt boys speak primarily on the excavations, you feel it’s a safe bet you keep harping on their interviews?

There are nine videos, the three major topics are:

Sinai in Arabia and the Exodus crossing

The Ark of the Covenant by and under the Garden Tomb and Zedekiahs cave

Sodom and Gomorrah

And I listened a while ago, Noah's Ark is not really covered, in recent years a gentleman named Andrew Jones has been excellent on Noah's Ark details..

[Steven Avery]

Should we keep the 7th-day Creation Bible sabbath?

Are the variety pack of teachings that:
transfer, abrogate, spiritualize, trivialize, subsumed, shadowize, person-alize, minimalize and dispensationalize away the sabbath correct?

Are inter-National Sunday Laws coming down the pike?

Should more Apostolics be keeping the 7th-day ?

Is the Decalogue gone, old shadow Mosaic ordinance?
Or down to 9?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

Should we keep the 7th-day Creation Bible sabbath?

Are the variety pack of teachings that:
transfer, abrogate, spiritualize, trivialize, subsumed, shadowize, person-alize, minimalize and dispensationalize away the sabbath correct?

Are inter-National Sunday Laws coming down the pike?

Should more Apostolics be keeping the 7th-day ?

Is the Decalogue gone, old shadow Mosaic ordinance?
Or down to 9?

Do you believe the story concerning the four angels and Ron Wyatt?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

There are nine videos, the three major topics are:

Sinai in Arabia and the Exodus crossing

The Ark of the Covenant by and under the Garden Tomb and Zedekiahs cave

Sodom and Gomorrah

And I listened a while ago, Noah's Ark is not really covered, in recent years a gentleman named Andrew Jones has been excellent on Noah's Ark details..

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

There are nine videos.
Come back after you have listened at least to 15-30 minutes, preferably more.
And I listened to all nine in full. (Something I do not normally do!)

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Steve, how long ago was this? i'm not going to get an answer. But Steve, I think you need to do another binge watch of the Wyatt boys.

Steven, how long is a "while ago?"

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

The RCC came in late.

To make an issue about the fact that western Europe was largely catholic in the medieval years can be a genetic fallacy.

Otangelo Grasso
Chronological List of Pre-1356 Literature Mentioning the Shroud and Christ's Burial Cloth

https://www.academia.edu/142993891/C...s_Burial_Cloth

https://www.purebibleforum.com/index...42/#post-23412

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1251...88055055456636

====================

The Abgar of Edessa material is fascinating.

====================

A fellow named Mark Guscin also has a paper about how the Sudarium of Oviedo got to Spain from Jerusalem in AD 700

The History Of The Sudarium Of Oviedo: How It Came From Jerusalem To Northern Spain In The Seventh Century A.D.

This youtube discusses the date issues.
"History on the Sudarium of Ovideo with Dr. Mark Guscin"

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Which is it Steven? Is the shroud legit? Or is the face cloth legit? Can't be both. Yet, you still haven't dealt with how the scripture contradicts both, the shroud and the face cloth. Both are Mediaeval Roman relics. No matter how many "scientists" you can parade in front of us, there are those who can refute their claims. Yet, we don't even need them. All we need to do is go to the Bible.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

Ok, so you were being deceptive in calling them “liars”.

Simple enough.

Deceptive? That's what you would like to believe. So you can continue to promote the Wyatt Satanic family's story. Ron Wyatt lies and they all swear to it. There was NEVER an ark of the covenant found, never did Ron Wyatt see, or speak to one angel, let alone four. The story is a lie, anyone who promotes this while totally knowing of its falsehood are also liars. It's your job my boy, to prove it's true. Instead of flailing about like some child who lost their toy. Start proving how Ron Wyatt spoke to angels, found the ark of the covenant, how Ellen G White's prophecy is the key factor for the tablets to be revealed. What laboratory did the research on the blood that Ron Wyatt scraped off the supposed mercy seat? You jump up and down over a 24 chromosome Jesus, but can't name the scientists or laboratory who took part in finding the information?

You don't see anything wrong with this? Is that why you are all over the place? Because you know the Wyatt story is false? But, won't admit it due to some cognitive dissonance on your part? Set yourself free Steven, you owe these people nothing. You owe Jesus everything.