Genesis - Who is our image?

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Originally Posted by StillOnFire

I am talking about sense in the form of common sense, logic or knowledge.
When you try to think in terms of God inhabiting ALL of time at once (and i am assuming that you believe that he does) it is very difficult for MY finite mind to comprehend.

I think God makes sense and is a logical being. Being able to comprehend something does not mean God is an illogical being or does not make sense.

The base word that is used actually is

tupos
a die (as struck),
Anyhting beyond that is an analysis.

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The word actually used in hebrews 1:3 is the same word we get character from

charaktēr
khar-ak-tar'
From the same as G5482; a graver (the tool or the person), that is, (by implication) engraving (["character"], the figure stamped, that is, an exact copy or [figuratively] representation): - express image.

The other words used, of which we were references is where we got our word icon from

i-kone'
From G1503; a likeness, that is, (literally) statue, profile, or (figuratively) representation, resemblance: - image.

A die is
Mech. any of various tools or devices, originally cubical in form, for molding, stamping, cutting, or shaping; specif.,
a) a piece of engraved metal used for stamping money, medals, etc.

If you have a stamp of something or a mold of something You can call it what you want, A type, figure, form, pattern, print. The King James calls it figure, NIV calls it Pattern, Amplified - type (pre figure). Call it what you want, God created Adam in the form of the perfect man that was to come. That is Jesus Christ.

Wrong. You got the right word in that verse but you have the wrong grammar

It does NOT say God created Adam in the form of Jesus. It says Adam was a TYPE of Jesus. Do you know what TYPEOLOGY is? It does not say Adam was created after a type of He who was to come. It says Adam IS A TYPE of He who was to come. Melchezidek is also a type of Christ.

That is all it says, anything more is reading into the text what is not there. It simply and only says Adam was a type of Christ, not Adam was made after the image of Christ.
Do you not bellieve that Jesus was God manifested in the flesh?

I don't think that Jesus was a man back then but i do believe that just as you are able to step out of one room in your house into another room and still be in your house, God can step out of one area of time into another, be it past present or future, and see things that are not (as far as we are concerned) as though they were. And in that manner He could have spoken a prophetic utterance to the son.

The verse in question is not a prophecy. It's a creative act.

Did not God make the worlds by the son? Heb 1:1-2

God made all things "dia" the Son. It was God doing the creating so one must ask how does God create BY or DIA (greek) the son.

Here is another verse...Christ was made like us
Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behooved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Was not Christ the lamb slain before the foundation of the world?
1 Peter 1:19-20

yes...how does that show Christ is the image or that Adam was made in Christ's image and not the other way around? God also chose us before all creation too...what does that show?

Your struggle is not with me it is with the word of God.

I don't have a struggle with you OR the word of God. I have provided plenty of scrpture that you did not even bother to address
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