Why do we use trinitarian..........

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Chan

The word "oneness" isn't in scripture either. Neither, for that matter, is the word "Pentecostal." Oh, if you're going to quote from the Creeds, please quote from the Orthodox versions and not the Roman Catholic versions that actually changed the doctrine.

Sorry, Chan, I wasn't clear. I can't find the teaching or concept of the Trinity in the Bible. It's not taught in the OT or the NT. I didn't mean the word, Trinity. I quoted from the creed CARM had listed. I believe those at CARM think of themselves as being ORTHODOX.

Yes, trinitarians do say that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all "God" by nature, i.e. "God" is what they are, though some trinitarians say God is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Yet others say that the three "persons" (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) are in God or that God is in the three persons ("God in three persons, blessed trinity").

Then why don't they just say 'same substance' instead of God. The way I understand when God speaks of himself in the Bible, He is not calling himself a substance. ie: Isa 43:12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.

Well, I don't agree with the Roman Catholic version of the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed - because it has the oxymoron of a Son that is "eternally begotten" and because it says that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father "and the Son" (contrary to Jesus' saying the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father).

I agree with you that eternally begotten is an oxymoron. Also why would the Spirit proceeding from the Father necessitate that the Spirit is a different person than the Father instead of a manifestion of the same God.