POA Use Idol Worship at Campmeeting?

[chaotic_resolve]

For the one’s who don’t feel like going through 50+ pages in the other thread . . . here’s the quotes on the music/chanting. You'll have to click on the quote links to find any responses or the context of the quote.

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

If what I have seen and felt here is an indication...the whole Apostolic movement as we know it, has made a sharp turn toward error and is becoming embued with a strange spirit that I would have never thought to be possible.

It has been 25 years since...It may be another 25 years before I make this journey here again.

I learned last night, they don't even have Youth Camp here anymore. In my day, in the 1950s that was the highlight of the whole year to which we all looked forward to with such excitement. The music is strange, the spirit is strange, the words from the pulpit are becoming strange. There is still the FORM, but....????

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

My spirit revolts against new age chanting whether it be in heathern temples or in the house (assembly) of God.
I would be in favor of putting the blood of Jesus back into worship, including our singing with much less chanting.

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Nothing to validate. Chanting is chanting whether it be in montone or sing-song. That should be easily understood. Then all you have to do is take thee blood out of the songs and soon you are wondering what God you are chanting about.

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

When the state of conscience is altered by chants, there is no telling what sort of spirit will come in. I've seen the spirit of error come in and sweep away whole crowds of people all the while thinking that it was the Holy Ghost.

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Prax...

I already told you that the matter of music and the spirit within it is subjective and cannot endure an objective natural explanation of what is spiritual.

Moses coming down the mountain heard strange music. He heard a strange sound. He knew something was wrong from the sound. Someone could have said, "Oh never mind, Moses, these young people have come up with their own sound. They ware worshipping the Lord in their own way and music."

Moses would have known better. He was right. The music was the sound of worship of an idol made of gold. Such sounds will always be different than that of divine consecreation music. The sound of the uncircucised should not be hard to recognize for those that have their ears and eyes turned toward heaven.

I am hearing the worship of an idol. While we have stood stoutly with our standards at the front door of the church, the enemy has slipped in through the back door and has erected an idol in our very midst, under our noses and we did not see it coming.

Keep dancing folks. Keep chanting folks. You are going to have more sommersaults in church. You will soon have a laughing spirit on you and who knows, some of you may be barking like a dog in church before it is all over. Weird spirits are creeping in and some of you people are so dead in slumber, you would not know a golden calf from a pillar of fire over the Tabernacle.
Nice going folks. Enter into the Temple of Wisdom. The devil has a lot of great wisdom for you all in the area of human reasoning.

[South of I 90]

Originally Posted by triumphant1

And the music they don't like...they label as demonic...

Thank you.............I have no problem with Elder Strange disliking the music. It's when he goes out of bounds and starts useing the labels that he has and makes references when Moses came down off the mountain, etc. etc.

Just please say you don't like the music before you get off into other lanes!!!

[tamor]

Originally Posted by South of I 90

Thank you.............I have no problem with Elder Strange disliking the music. It's when he goes out of bounds and starts useing the labels that he has and makes references when Moses came down off the mountain, etc. etc.

Just please say you don't like the music before you get off into other lanes!!!

Amen!!

[Dan]

Originally Posted by South of I 90

Thank you.............I have no problem with Elder Strange disliking the music. It's when he goes out of bounds and starts useing the labels that he has and makes references when Moses came down off the mountain, etc. etc.

Just please say you don't like the music before you get off into other lanes!!!

Another amen!

And don't say it is of the devil!

[chaotic_resolve]

Originally Posted by Alter Ego

Are you guys really going to say that some of our songs aren't beat driven and written for the sole purpose to hype the crowd into a frenzy?

Are you really trying to say that many of our conferences and camps aren't just track meets and dance floors for the sole purpose of inflating ego and grandstanding?

We are so hypocritical here. We mock Catholics for their Gregorian chants but look at us. I firmly believe in exuberant worship directed unto the Lord but some of this is way out of hand. We are like the prophets of Baal flailing at ourselves in the hopes of getting God's attention. He doesn't work that way folks.

There is an old song we used to sing in Pentecost that identifies the trouble with manufactured emotion and praise. It is the standard for many "worship" songs in our movement. We think if we get loud enough or frenzied enough God will move.

The joy of the Lord is my strength.
The joy of the Lord is my strength.
The joy of the Lord is my strength.
The joy of the Lord is my strength.

If you want joy you must (insert word here such as clap, jump, stomp) for it.
If you want joy you must (insert word here such as clap, jump, stomp) for it.
If you want joy you must (insert word here such as clap, jump, stomp) for it.
If you want joy you must (insert word here such as clap, jump, stomp) for it.

I remember this song . . . only we never sang it in a church service. It was a song I remember hearing in Sunday School when I was a kid.

This is NOT the "standard" for the many worship songs in our movement . . . it was a kids movement song. Like the other one, "Father Abraham." But you probably think that's a standard for the new worship songs too, right?

[Dan]

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

I remember this song . . . only we never sang it in a church service. It was a song I remember hearing in Sunday School when I was a kid.

This is NOT the "standard" for the many worship songs in our movement . . . it was a kids movement song. Like the other one, "Father Abraham." But you probably think that's a standard for the new worship songs too, right?

Exactly right! Many of the songs we sing now are quoting scriptures. I love it!

[tamor]

Originally Posted by Dan

Exactly right! Many of the songs we sing now are quoting scriptures. I love it!

I do too, Dan!

[tv1a]

I know Bro. Strange isn't old enough to know what type of music the children of Israel danced to. And unless it was one of those preacher's shedding their suit jackets, I can be certain no one had the urge to shed any clothing. Where is the similarity?

Here is what many people fail to realize. Every song is designed to express a particualr emotion. From Amazing Grace to Everybody Will Be Happy Over There. From How Great is our God to It's All In Him. From Sweet Child O' Mine to Another Brick in the Wall. From Beethoven's Ode to Joy to John Williams' Theme from Star Wars. It is all designed to evoke a particular emotion.

I have been reading the Psalms and David writes at times as if he were bi-polar. In a few verses he wishes violent destruction on his enemies than waxes poetic about the Lord is my Shepherd in another section. David was one of the best at getting the reader emorionally involved in his writings. Since the psalms were intended to be sung, one could imagine the tune to Psalms 129.

[chaotic_resolve]

The joy of the Lord is my strength.
The joy of the Lord is my strength.
The joy of the Lord is my strength.
The joy of the Lord is my strength.

If you want joy you must (insert word here such as clap, jump, stomp) for it.
If you want joy you must (insert word here such as clap, jump, stomp) for it.
If you want joy you must (insert word here such as clap, jump, stomp) for it.
If you want joy you must (insert word here such as clap, jump, stomp) for it.

I remember the "laugh" verse . . . you know:

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
The joy of the Lord is my strength

I'd try my best to keep a straight face, but would end up bustin a gut from laughing so hard at the other kids.

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by South of I 90

Thank you.............I have no problem with Elder Strange disliking the music. It's when he goes out of bounds and starts useing the labels that he has and makes references when Moses came down off the mountain, etc. etc.

Just please say you don't like the music before you get off into other lanes!!!

I personally think that this whole reliance on how something "feels" is wrong. If the song is lifting up Jesus and the words are clearly about the one true and living God, why then do we have to dissect how it "feels" before we can worship with it?

It is a matter then of personal taste and NOT of true worship...

Some people have boxed their worship up into slow songs...they just don't "feel" God in it unless they are emotionally moved to tears...

Some peolple have boxed their worship up into fast songs....they just don't "feel" God in it unless they are emotionally moved to run around...

To some god is in country tunes...

To others it is the old brush arbour tunes...

To other still it is contemporary...

And if worship is not in their "feeling niche"...then they either judge it to be worthless or demonic...