No, cause I wasn't there either, but I doubt seriously that the elders at the MS campmeeting had less discernment of spirits than the elders at the LA campmeeting, and there is no doubt that if Borat showed up in LA, the result would have been the same.
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I wasn't there and didn't hear the services, so I cannot chime in on the debate; however, I am concerned that an elder in Pentecost is being discounted and his concern "pooh-pooh'ed" when he was truly terribly disturbed in his spirit by somehthing he recognized...so much so that he didn't even want to go back the next day. I read what Brother Strange said, and this wasn't just the gripey rantings of some set-in-his-ways old man who only likes funeral music...he was discerning something far deeper--and you're going to disparage that?
I don't think it matters what songs were sung or who was singing them...it was a spiritual concern that disturbed Bro. Strange. What he was essentially saying was that something crucial seems to have been lost over the years. Should he be held in contempt for that? Even if you don't agree, can't people respect an elder's heartfelt concerns...and maybe (just maybe) look within to see if he has a point? I think it would be wise.
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According to Rev. Strange, after he attending the La. Campmeeting Service on Wednesday nite, he sensed the sounds of idol worship and chanting during the service. This nite, the worship was lead by MM and the worship team from the POA.
Here is Rev. Strange remarks concerning the worship from this nite.
"Moses coming down the mountain heard strange music. He heard a strange sound. He knew something was wrong from the sound. Someone could have said, "Oh never mind, Moses, these young people have come up with their own sound. They ware worshipping the Lord in their own way and music."
Moses would have known better. He was right. The music was the sound of worship of an idol made of gold. Such sounds will always be different than that of divine consecreation music. The sound of the uncircucised should not be hard to recognize for those that have their ears and eyes turned toward heaven.
I am hearing the worship of an idol. While we have stood stoutly with our standards at the front door of the church, the enemy has slipped in through the back door and has erected an idol in our very midst, under our noses and we did not see it coming. "
The songs that were sung that nite were "There is No God Like Our God", "How Great Is Our God", "How Great Thou Art", "When I Speak Your Name" and "To Worship You I Live".
According to Rev. Strange, this was the music that caused the "Idol Worship" and "weird chanting".
You possibly need to use caution when using these songs in your worship service!!
I wasn't there and didn't hear the services, so I cannot chime in on the debate; however, I am concerned that an elder in Pentecost is being discounted and his concern "pooh-pooh'ed" when he was truly terribly disturbed in his spirit by somehthing he recognized...so much so that he didn't even want to go back the next day. I read what Brother Strange said, and this wasn't just the gripey rantings of some set-in-his-ways old man who only likes funeral music...he was discerning something far deeper--and you're going to disparage that?
I don't think it matters what songs were sung or who was singing them...it was a spiritual concern that disturbed Bro. Strange. What he was essentially saying was that something crucial seems to have been lost over the years. Should he be held in contempt for that? Even if you don't agree, can't people respect an elder's heartfelt concerns...and maybe (just maybe) look within to see if he has a point? I think it would be wise.
Right on the money, Polaris.
No room for wisdom in some quarters around here.
Mickey Mangun sung a "Leaning On The Everlasting Arm." It was anointed and sung with deep feeling. I sprung to my feet and acted like I was about to be raptured. LOL.... It was like a drink of spring water after walking across the desert. I could not contain myself.
I heard the joyful sound...
Psa 89:15 Blessed [is] the people that know the joyful sound: they shall walk, O LORD, in the light of thy countenance.
...there is no doubt that if Borat showed up in LA, the result would have been the same.
Well, since it happened in MS and not in LA I won't speculate what may have happened. No one has any idea what would have happened. It's folly to say that without a doubt the very same thing would have happened.
Wisdom is justified of her children, Elder. God bless you for expressing your concerns. Don't forget that when Elijah thought he was alone, God still had seven thousand who had not bowed their knee to Baal. What I mean by that is that the church of God (which is far bigger than any one organization) is alive and well, and if things really have changed for the worse in a particular area, you're still not alone. There will always be those who are satisfied with the status quo--and if that's all they want, then that's all they're going to seek after. And they WON'T see what you're seeing, nor listen to a watchman on the wall when he sounds the alarm. But everybody's not like that, and some WILL hear and ARE hearing. And that should make you rejoice!
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness...they shall be filled. Those who are hungry and thirsty for something deeper will find what they're looking for, and nothing will hold them back. It's our job to be "salty" enough to make them thirsty! Don't mourn for what used to be or for what might have been (though I understand the heartbreak of seeing the relentless onslaught of the world on the church)--just go home and pray someone else through to the Holy Ghost...teach another Bible study, and introduce someone else to the beauty of holiness. The message still works Bro. Strange...and those hungry people are still out there. And when they say all manner of evil against you falsely for his name's sake, what are you supposed to do? That's right...rejoice.
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Thanks HO, Bro. Price, St Matt and others here that see and understand what was actually said rather than all of this intentional twisting of words. Shame on the rest of you. That is not even Christian to do so.
I am a little surprised that I would even open such an idiot thread as this, especially with such a title.
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I can't believe this. This will be my one and only post here on this thread. The heathern are raging and the people are imagining vain things. Let 'em have at it. Besides, my time is greatly limited.
Anyway, for all of you that are going to quote me, please quote me correctly. Example: I never said anyone at the La Camp was in demonic worship. I did not say that POA was in demonic worship nor did I say that any of their songs were demonic worship.
But then, regardless of what was actually said, it matters naught. You will just make up things and pretent that I said it anyway. Shame on you. That is not even Christian to do that.
Music is a language of the spirit world. It matters little concerning the wonderful words put in a song if the sound is not right. Sooner or later, given enough time, the words will begin to conform to the sound.
If the devil can give us his sound in the church, it is only a matter of time before he gives us his words. The words will eventually align to the sound. We must not follow the pied piper to destruction.
I know that some of you do not understand what I am saying here, as evidenced from the remarks that I've read. It is truly sad, giving me little hope for the future of the Apolstolic movement if this sentiment becomes widespread and total.
When Evan Roberts was asked if England could possibly have revival, he recognized the importance of the right sound. He said, "Can they sing?"
Psa 89:15, "Blessed is the people that know the joyful sound: they shall walk O Lord, in the light of thy countenance."
There are some people that do not know the joyful sound. There are some who do. If you do not know the joyful sound of the Spirit, I would like to know that you will seek to know it with ears atuned to the sound of the Spirit. There is the sound of the Dove and there is the sound of the Crow. Do you know the difference?
The devil wants to steal our music. Before he was cast down from the realms of light, he was the chief musician there. He lost his preeminisence in that realm. He has been jealous over God's heavenly sound desiring to capture it to destroy it ever since his downfall.
vs 16: "In thy name shall they (who know the joyful sound) rejoice all the day: and in thy righteousness shall they (who know the joyful sound) be exalted."
If you have not been to the top of the mountain to behold the glory of the Lord, I can certainly understand how this might be somewhat confused for you. I don't blame you. I suppose I would be confused too. But, I've been there. I heard the sound. I know the difference.
vs 17, "For thou art the glory of their (who know the joyful sound) strength: and in thy favour our horn shall be exalted."
Regardless how good the words of a song, if shrouded within the sound of unsanctified music born of unconsecrated spirits that has never climbed the mountain to the top to see the glory of the Lord, the sound is wrong.
Want me to explain how this is so? It would be imposible to do in words. If you can't tell sanctified music born of consecrated spirits and what is not, I am afraid that you have never truly become an eyewitness of His majesty and beheld His glory behind the veil.
Has the evening shades so fallen that there is little light left anymore? I am heartened only by the words of the Prophet so long ago, "...in the evening time there shall be light."
Wisdom is justified of her children, Elder. God bless you for expressing your concerns. Don't forget that when Elijah thought he was alone, God still had seven thousand who had not bowed their knee to Baal. What I mean by that is that the church of God (which is far bigger than any one organization) is alive and well, and if things really have changed for the worse in a particular area, you're still not alone. There will always be those who are satisfied with the status quo--and if that's all they want, then that's all they're going to seek after. And they WON'T see what you're seeing, nor listen to a watchman on the wall when he sounds the alarm. But everybody's not like that, and some WILL hear and ARE hearing. And that should make you rejoice!
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness...they shall be filled. Those who are hungry and thirsty for something deeper will find what they're looking for, and nothing will hold them back. It's our job to be "salty" enough to make them thirsty! Don't mourn for what used to be or for what might have been (though I understand the heartbreak of seeing the relentless onslaught of the world on the church)--just go home and pray someone else through to the Holy Ghost...teach another Bible study, and introduce someone else to the beauty of holiness. The message still works Bro. Strange...and those hungry people are still out there. And when they say all manner of evil against you falsely for his name's sake, what are you supposed to do? That's right...rejoice.
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This post is the most encouraging and heartening post that I've read in a while on this forum. I wish that this forum could be used for such godliness and wisdom as this all the time. Many people would be blessed by it.
Thanks Polaris. I know that God always has His remnant. I want to be a part of it.
While I do believe that we're seeing genuine Apostolic revival in some arenas I have to confess (perhaps to the great chagrin of some) that I, too, think that we've lost something most precious in other environments.
I don't expect everyone to agree. I personally don't worry myself about what others think if I truly perceive something as being a truth founded observation. I'm just old enough to remember the 'old stuff' and still young enough to like some of the 'new stuff'. However, I'm sincere enough to know that some of what we're calling Church... well... it's more atune to entertainment than anointing.
No. I wasn't at Louisiana Campmeeting. Been 'next door' to it for almost 20 years and have never been there. But I've been to enough other places that I, most assuredly, do believe that at least some environments have opened themselves up to some unholy attitudes, non-biblical traits and - yes - even destructive spirits. The frightening part is that some don't even know they have done it.
While I do believe that we're seeing genuine Apostolic revival in some arenas I have to confess (perhaps to the great chagrin of some) that I, too, think that we've lost something most precious in other environments.
I don't expect everyone to agree. I personally don't worry myself about what others think if I truly perceive something as being a truth founded observation. I'm just old enough to remember the 'old stuff' and still young enough to like some of the 'new stuff'. However, I'm sincere enough to know that some of what we're calling Church... well... it's more atune to entertainment than anointing.
No. I wasn't at Louisiana Campmeeting. Been 'next door' to it for almost 20 years and have never been there. But I've been to enough other places that I, most assuredly, do believe that at least some environments have opened themselves up to some unholy attitudes, non-biblical traits and - yes - even destructive spirits. The frightening part is that some don't even know they have done it.
Yes, I am aware that there is genuine Apostolic revival in some quarters. I would be very much cast down without that comforting knowledge.
A lot of flesh is on parade as more and more in the limelight seek to glorify flesh (their own) that come from the heart, but an unsanctified heart.
I thought that I might go to GC this year since I've not been there about twelve or fifteen years. I used to go every year many years ago. But now, I am not sure. I am a bit afraid what I might see and sense there too. I am a little gun shy I suppose.
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