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07-09-2007, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by J-Roc
I like Paul's approach in Acts 24 "So I strive always to keep my conscience clear before God and man"
2 Corinthians 4 "On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God"
Romans 12 "Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody"
And Paul's final admonition on how to handle church finances:
Paul believes in full disclosure: 2 Corinthians 8 "We want to avoid any criticism of the way we administer this liberal gift. For we are taking pains to do what is right, not only in the eyes of the Lord but also in the eyes of men."
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These scriptures are showing that the ministry itself is being accountable to God so as not to bring a reproach on the name of the Lord not the church members making the ministry accountable.
JRoc, who should receive the tithes in your opinion?
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07-09-2007, 04:46 PM
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If the pastor can get that man ready for heaven, and keep him ready, he's worth double-honor! Hardly shall the rich inherit eternal life, and if that man can stay rich and stay saved, the pastor has performed an incredible service!
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07-09-2007, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by J-Roc
Hypothetical Scenario:
Joe Preacher is a pastor of a 20 person congregation...and the church size has been around this same relative number for the past 15 years. Joe Preacher just doesn't seem to attract a following, not because of anything morally wrong, but simply because he is a dull speaker, has a monotone voice and really does not go into much depth in his teachings. So, most who visit, simply do not stick around. However, there is one member, Daddi Warbux, of this small congregation that earns $80 million annually. Should Daddi be tithing $8 million a year (10%) to this church and should Joe Preacher live as a millionaire as a result of this one person's tithing?
What say ye?
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Daddi Warbux is an idoit, and though he must have some genius, he has no spiritual discernment. Otherwise he would invest his 8mil into something that will produce for the kingdom and good works ministry. He is wrapping his talent in a napkin and hiding it, but the master is not going to be happy with the return.
On the other hand, maybe DW has so much money that he has invested into everything good thing he can imagine and still has 8 million left over. He is Pastor Joe's father in law and wants to take good care of his daughter, he is also fond of Joe so is overjoyed to see them prosper!!! 
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07-09-2007, 05:47 PM
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crakjak
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
Those that preach the gospel are to live of the gospel. I believe the tithes should go to the ministry. I give my tithes to God. I expect my pastor to behave like a Christian. God will judge him if he misuses or is a poor steward of what is given him.
MOW is commendable in how he structures his ministry, but if he was the only minister of the word in his church fellowship and took the whole tithe of 8 million that IMO would be his perogative. He is accountable to God as am I.
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The person God entrusted the huge financial resource is also responsible for the use of the money. It is absolute nonsense to believe he is to turn it over to someone that can't do anything with what he already has, to excuse his responsibility for the proper use of the money. Daddi Warbux probably has the the gift of giving and must seek God with what he is to do with the money. In the parable of the talents each individual was responsible with the use of the resources placed in their hands.
The idea that preachers have all the answers for every situation is ridiculous, and is unbiblical. Ministry and ministers should be honored with our resources, and worthy of their hire. That means they must be worthy! The ministry is doing something worthy, otherwise don't invest in it.
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07-09-2007, 05:49 PM
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Most comments made on this thread are a disgrace...
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07-09-2007, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by KwaiQ
Most comments made on this thread are a disgrace...
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Care to point out the ones that are not?
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07-09-2007, 05:56 PM
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crakjak
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
I heard Anthony Mangun say that if you don't trust your pastor with your money and your soul then you need to find another pastor.
Amen!
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Pastor is not a priest? If I don't trust my pastor (church leadership) I will find another church. My soul I entrust to the Lord, leadership of the local body I trust to the church leadership.
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07-09-2007, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
Those that preach the gospel are to live of the gospel. I believe the tithes should go to the ministry. I give my tithes to God. I expect my pastor to behave like a Christian. God will judge him if he misuses or is a poor steward of what is given him.
MOW is commendable in how he structures his ministry, but if he was the only minister of the word in his church fellowship and took the whole tithe of 8 million that IMO would be his perogative. He is accountable to God as am I.
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You almost have it right.  I am not simply accountable to God, I am also accountable to God's sheep, whom I serve. I am not a King, Lord or anything of that nature. I am a SERVANT! Don't people understand that simple, biblical and Jesus demonstrated concept?
Who do some men of God think they are by their demanding, conscripting and commandeering of funds? I wonder how Jesus feels when these men of God resort to their own methods of using a "sceptre" instead of a towel?
This is truly sickening when this happens!!!!!!
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07-09-2007, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ManOfWord
You almost have it right. I am not simply accountable to God, I am also accountable to God's sheep, whom I serve. I am not a King, Lord or anything of that nature. I am a SERVANT! Don't people understand that simple, biblical and Jesus demonstrated concept?
Who do some men of God think they are by their demanding, conscripting and commandeering of funds? I wonder how Jesus feels when these men of God resort to their own methods of using a "sceptre" instead of a towel?
This is truly sickening when this happens!!!!!! |
My feelings too.
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07-09-2007, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
I heard Anthony Mangun say that if you don't trust your pastor with your money and your soul then you need to find another pastor.
Amen!
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See there we agree on something.
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