John 3: The Difference between PCI and PAJC on New Birth

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

As I am wiped out, and my brain is fried after the events of the day, I will only attempt to explain John 3:5. I will specifically address numbers one and two on your list.

1. John 3 is what it is. A Pre-resurrection outline of cross-dispensational Truth. Even Matthew Henry recognized the import of Christ's words to Nicodemus.



I believe the current mainline Apostolic understanding of the New Birth is correct, in that it teaches a singular regeneration resulting from the dual action of the ordinance of baptism, and the work of the Spirit, in a newly repentant believer's life.

Excellent post, Brother.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Daniel:
2. What does being born again really mean?

The new birth is a creative life-giving operation of the Holy Spirit upon a lost human soul, whereby in response to faith in Christ crucified (John 3:14-16; Gal 3:24), the believing one, "dead in trespasses and sins" (Eph 2:1), is quickened into spiritual life and made a partaker of the divine nature and of the life of Christ Himself (Gal 2:20; Eph 2:10; Col 1:27; 1 Peter 1:23-25; 2 Peter 1:4). The complete necessity of this spiritual transaction is the result of fallen man's state of spiritual death, his alienation from God, and his consequent utter inability to "see" (John 3:3) or "to enter into" the kingdom of God (3:5). No matter how moral, refined, talented, or religious the natural or unregenerate man may be, he is blind to spiritual truth and unable to save himself (3:6; cf. Ps 51:5; 1 Cor 2:14; Rom 8:7-8). It is clear, therefore, that the new birth is not the reformation of the old nature but the reception of a new nature.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Excellent post, Brother.

Thanks friend.

[Coonskinner]

The New Birth is foreshadowed in the first two or three verses of Genesis 1.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Thanks friend.

Please post the whole commentary, PP.... and how do you equate import with ...It is probable that Christ had an eye to the ordinance of baptism

Lastly ... CS why the high fives??? .....All he did was restate what we already know is the PAJC view.

That's like high-fiving your teamates when your team is losing in a blowout.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

The New Birth is foreshadowed in the first two or three verses of Genesis 1.

Absolutely.

1. God filling a void.
2. God creating something from nothing.
3. God creating order from chaos.
4. God brooding (spiritual movement) over water.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Please post the whole commentary, PP.... and how do you equate import with ...It is probable that Christ had an eye to the ordinance of baptism

Lastly ... CS why the high fives??? .....All he did was restate what we already know is the PAJC view.

That's like high-fiving your teamates when your team is losing in a blowout.

Losing?

Copying and pasting Gillespie doth not a victory make.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Losing?

Copying and pasting Gillespie doth not a victory make.

Whatevah ... as for your oldtime PCIers and PAJCers were New Birth twins comments ... do you recant????

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Please post the whole commentary, PP.... and how do you equate import with ...It is probable that Christ had an eye to the ordinance of baptism

Lastly ... CS why the high fives??? .....All he did was restate what we already know is the PAJC view.

That's like high-fiving your teamates when your team is losing in a blowout.

I don't get it. ???

My only point was that even a non-Apostolic, such as MH sees the "probability" that being "born of the water" assumes baptism. I would go further than "probable", I would say it is exactly what Jesus meant.

Look Guy, you asked for commentary here. I was only obliging.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

The new birth is a creative life-giving operation of the Holy Spirit upon a lost human soul, whereby in response to faith in Christ crucified (John 3:14-16; Gal 3:24), the believing one, "dead in trespasses and sins" (Eph 2:1), is quickened into spiritual life and made a partaker of the divine nature and of the life of Christ Himself (Gal 2:20; Eph 2:10; Col 1:27; 1 Peter 1:23-25; 2 Peter 1:4). The complete necessity of this spiritual transaction is the result of fallen man's state of spiritual death, his alienation from God, and his consequent utter inability to "see" (John 3:3) or "to enter into" the kingdom of God (3:5). No matter how moral, refined, talented, or religious the natural or unregenerate man may be, he is blind to spiritual truth and unable to save himself (3:6; cf. Ps 51:5; 1 Cor 2:14; Rom 8:7-8). It is clear, therefore, that the new birth is not the reformation of the old nature but the reception of a new nature.

Good.