San Diego UPC Choir TEARS IT UP with Michael English and Mark Lowry

[South of I 90]

Originally Posted by CC1

I just get frustrated with those among us who pass off repeated massive moral failures as something we should just ignore.

You have done the exact things in your posts you accuse me of. None of my statements ever condemmed Michael English to hell. I said I hope he has sincerely straigtened out,etc.

Let me ask you a hypothetical question to test your seeming position that no matter what the nature and magnitude of repeated moral failures are we should still treat a person as if they never happened (or never repeatedly kept on happening);

If a pedophile sex offender prays through and gets saved do you treat him exactly as you would any other person praying through? Do you allow him to teach Sunday School? Do you allow him around children unsupervised? Is there at least any period of time where you would want to observe that he indeed has changed?

The point you miss about people like ME is that there is a price to pay for your sin. God forgives you but the sin has consequences. In the case of fornication or adultery many times the consequence is a child. God forgives the sexual sin but that child is the result of that sin and must be dealt with as a responsibility for the parties involved. Doesn't mean God has forgiven any less or that the person is any less saved.

Such is the same with those in ministry or christian entertainment. When they have major moral failures they pay the price of having lost their credibility.

There is absolutely nothing wrong in the world with that happening. Perhaps over a sustained period of time of walking upright they can gain much of that credibility back. They should rejoice in the fact they are forgiven and saved and other christians ought to treat them with love, dignity, and respect.

Just because they are forigven and other christians ought to believe and accept that is not the same as saying that other christians should act as if nothing ever happened and keep on supporting their careers or ministries.

That is the only point I made. You are the one misconstruing things by insinuating I am somehow being unfair or mean to ME or not accepting his position in Christ.

I think one of the worst things in the world is for high profile people in Christianity to have major moral failures and people to just act like it never happened as your posts suggest to me.

Good post CC