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[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Pressing On ....

When is the blood of Jesus applied??? Tough question .... but I'd love to hear your thoughts on it?

I've never really answered that question before. Let me look through the Bible and see what I believe.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Sherri,
I don't understand this. How can it not save them when it is a commandment of the NT Gospel message? How can you be saved if you don't obey the Gospel? If they aren't saved by it, why even do it?

The Gospel message? Are you claiming that obedience to Acts 2:38 is the Gospel message? I thought it was HIS DEATH, BURIAL, RESURRECTION .... or must I re-enact it .... for it to be the Gospel message????

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I've never really answered that question before. Let me look through the Bible and see what I believe.

Just as an aside ... most Oneness PAJCers preach it's applied in the baptismal tank ...

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

The Gospel message? Are claiming that obedience to Acts 2:38 is the Gospel message? I thought it was HIS DEATH, BURIAL, RESURRECTION .... or must I re-enact it ....????

Acts 2:38 is the death, burial and resurrection, as far as I'm concerned. If it worked for me then everyone has do obey it too!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Just as an aside ... most Oneness PAJCers preach it's applied in the baptismal tank ...

Well, hang on. I want to know what I believe.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I believe that speaking in tongues is evidence of the baptism of the Holy Ghost too ... the real question does it qualify you to finally being saved???

No, you have to:

Romans 12:2 "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."

[SDG]

No, you have to?

Is your answer no?
or you have to?

[Steve Epley]

NOTHING in the NT about the blood being applied. NOT ONE VERSE!!!!! However through his shed blood at Calvary salvation has been purchased and we recieve what the blood accomplish WHEN we obey the gospel preached by the Apostles as in Acts 2:38. The blood affords -forgiveness-remission-HGB-fellowship-finally the resurrection of the church. REJECT the gospel or NOT OBEY the gospel the blood in no way is available to mankind outside the NT Mt.26:28. ONLY in obeying the NT do we experience the redemption the blood accomplished.

[Sarah]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

The Gospel message? Are you claiming that obedience to Acts 2:38 is the Gospel message? I thought it was HIS DEATH, BURIAL, RESURRECTION .... or must I re-enact it .... for it to be the Gospel message????

LOL Dan, you really don't know what you believe, do you? Or, you are just pulling our legs....which I suspect is true most of the time.

YES.......putting into action Acts 2:38 (obeying the man with the keys) is receiving the gospel message.

There was a time when I thought all Apostolics believed that..lol

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

No, you have to?

Is your answer no?
or you have to?

LOL! What was the question? j/k!

I'm saying that nothing is applied forever - we have to continue walking with Him in obedience. It isn't a "once saved always saved" deal.

Romans 12:2 "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."

Now onto the blood:

As I don't actually believe the "blood is applied", but better "the work He did and the hope He transferred to us by his blood" would be better.

Ephesians 2:13 "But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ."

We are made "nigh by the blood of Christ" because we are "in" Christ.

How are we "in" Christ?

I Peter 1:2 "Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied."

You could say that work or the blood was applied after sanctification. I Peter appears to qualify that as being "spirit filled."

I John 1:7 "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."

I John 1:7 shows that it is a continuing work.

So, I'm back at Acts 2:38 and pressing-on.......