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07-26-2007, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by revrandy
Here's something I don't understand...
How can you be against Sports and keep up with it at the same time?
How can you be against Sports and play in an organized Golf Tournament?
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Are you speaking to me?
I do not keep up with sports, and don't play golf.
Not really for any spiritual reasons, though.
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"Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:
And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."
--Amos 7:14-15
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07-26-2007, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by RandyWayne
Good post Amos.
You actually brought up some good secular arguments for not participating in sports and they are valid.
However as far as not wanting your kids to give loyalty to their coach because he is an unbeliever, can I assume that you feel this is different then giving loyalty to their boss or their employer?
Again, good post. I love sports myself but you defined very nicely why you don't want yourself or your family to participate.
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An employer is totally different both in what they expect, and what they give in return, than a coach.
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"Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:
And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."
--Amos 7:14-15
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07-26-2007, 12:46 PM
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His Eminance, High Potatohead Potatotate
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Originally Posted by Amos
I have advised my children against joining the military.
As an American, I have tremendous respect and appreciation for our soldiers.
But as a citizen of the Kingdom of Heaven, I have a higher loyalty.
I am raising my children to also have that same loyalty.
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I think I could weed thru that.. but would respectfully disagree with you..
I think that we can maintain our loyalty to the kingom of God and still serve our Country....
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07-26-2007, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Amos
An employer is totally different both in what they expect, and what they give in return, than a coach.
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I don't think it's much different.. I do find it interesting how perspective changes when money is involved...
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07-26-2007, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Amos
I have advised my children against joining the military.
As an American, I have tremendous respect and appreciation for our soldiers.
But as a citizen of the Kingdom of Heaven, I have a higher loyalty.
I am raising my children to also have that same loyalty.
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His Kingdom first, and nothing more important. But don't raise your children to appreciate civil freedoms and liberties, cause without someone to stand and fight for them they will be lost.........
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07-26-2007, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Amos
Are you speaking to me?
I do not keep up with sports, and don't play golf.
Not really for any spiritual reasons, though.
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No Sir.. just thinking out loud.. not a personal question..
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07-26-2007, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by revrandy
I think I could weed thru that.. but would respectfully disagree with you..
I think that we can maintain our loyalty to the kingom of God and still serve our Country....
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Many do.
But I maintain that a child of God is better served not being a part of something as demanding and all consuming of time, energy, and loyalty as the military.
I do not in any way believe it is impossible to serve God in the military; but I do know that you severely limit your abilities to obey God regarding where you go and how you minister when you join the military.
You have to go where Uncle Sam says, and are not able to follow God's call with liberty and freedom.
There are some careers and lifestyles that are less conducive to a relationship with God, and the military is one.
You can be stationed where there is no truth-preaching church, or any number of things.
I am not speaking in terms of heaven or hell, permissible or not permissible; I am speaking of the difference between what is acceptable and what is best.
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"Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:
And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."
--Amos 7:14-15
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07-26-2007, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by revrandy
I don't think it's much different.. I do find it interesting how perspective changes when money is involved...
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Coaches teach an ideology and a philosophy that they expect you to follow in your thinking and attitude.
An employer wants you to do a day's work for a day's pay.
The Bible demands that a man work; sports is a personal choice.
Get you hoe and weed through whatever you like, btw. 
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"Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:
And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."
--Amos 7:14-15
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07-26-2007, 12:53 PM
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An employer is totally different both in what they expect, and what they give in return, than a coach.
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This is where I disagree. I do feel that people will tend to give their coaches more loyalty then their boss, but this is wrong only insomuch that people should give their EMPLOYERS as much loyalty as they do their coaches.
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07-26-2007, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by RevDWW
His Kingdom first, and nothing more important. But don't raise your children to appreciate civil freedoms and liberties, cause without someone to stand and fight for them they will be lost.........
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Did you serve in the military?
Many people appreciate America who did not want to serve in the military.
If there were the reinstitution of the draft, I would expect my children to go if they were called, as I would have.
But if the choice is theirs, I feel it is wiser as a Christian not to put yourself in that environment.
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"Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:
And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."
--Amos 7:14-15
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