Would you attend a church that did not require tithes? - Page 5

Truthseeker · #41 08-10-2007, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlie Brown

You still are missing it. Yes, Jesus was upbraiding them. But he plainly was not just telling them that they should follow the law, as he added that they should follow Judgment, Mercy, and faith also. He stated very plainly that they Ought (Greek meaning necessary) to pay tithe also, but not forget to do everything else they were supposed to do. Tithing is not a Law for us. It is a Grace.

Who was Jesus speaking to?

Thumper · #42 08-10-2007, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by COOPER

Would attend an "apostolic" church that did not require or teach tithing?

What if the Pastor was a wealthy business man and financed it all?

Absolutely not!! I would never sit in a church that advocated robbing God.

ChTatum · #43 08-10-2007, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Who was Jesus speaking to?

Shoot, here I am thinking all scripture was given for doctrine, for reproof, et al.
I didn't know the principles had selective applications.

Truthseeker · #44 08-10-2007, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ChTatum

I don't care how wealthy the pastor is, he can choose to receive nothing, that is his choice, but Jesus affirmed tithing and ADDED what had been neglected.

Yes, I pastor.

No, I do not receive the tithe, and couldn't tell you who pays tithe. But there is meat in my Father's house because of the tithe. I do not furnish all the meat, so I cannot keep all the tithe.

Whenever we vote on something, which we do, BTW, the ballot always states:
"By casting my vote, I am stating that I am a faithful member of....."

Membership is outlined when people wish to join, with what they can expect out of the church, and what the church expects out of them.

Seems to be working pretty well.

Furthermore, I do not know of a single church where the pastor does keep all the tithe, UPC, ALJC, or any other.

Myabe you could answer it for me, who was jesus speaking to in Matthew23:23

Truthseeker · #45 08-10-2007, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ChTatum

Shoot, here I am thinking all scripture was given for doctrine.
I didn't know the principles had selective aplications.

Do really think all scripture pertains to us?

Matt 8:3-4

3 And Jesus put forth his hand, and touched him, saying, I will; be thou clean. And immediately his leprosy was cleansed.

4 And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.
KJV

When is made clean today should they dhew themself to the priest? and offer the gift??? as Jesus stated to do. he did say to do it.

ChTatum · #46 08-10-2007, 01:21 PM

To those who had kept some of the law, but not all, justifying themselves in their own eyes.

As some still do.

COOPER · #47 08-10-2007, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
KJV

Matt 23:23

23 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, pretenders (hypocrites)! For you give a tenth of your mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected and omitted the weightier (more important) matters of the Law — right and justice and mercy and fidelity. These you ought [particularly] to have done, without neglecting the others.
AMP

Notice that Jesus himself refered to tithes as a matter of the law?? he just stating there were MORE WEIGHTIER MATTERS OF THE LAW they were leaving undone.

Tithes are not a heavy matter. It floats to the top.

If we give and not love it's not worth anything.

If I Pastored; I would teach that I do not believe tithes is a requirement.

Then I would say, Give if you want, willingly with joy.

If you fell you must tithe go ahead.

I am sure God will bless it and you.

But if you can not and do not want to; don't.

ChTatum · #48 08-10-2007, 01:25 PM

I believe ALL scriptural principles pertain to us.

berkeley · #49 08-10-2007, 01:27 PM

Hegavmelif · #50 08-10-2007, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ChTatum

I don't care how wealthy the pastor is, he can choose to receive nothing, that is his choice, but Jesus affirmed tithing and ADDED what had been neglected.

Yes, I pastor.

No, I do not receive the tithe, and couldn't tell you who pays tithe. But there is meat in my Father's house because of the tithe. I do not furnish all the meat, so I cannot keep all the tithe.

Whenever we vote on something, which we do, BTW, the ballot always states:
"By casting my vote, I am stating that I am a faithful member of....."

Membership is outlined when people wish to join, with what they can expect out of the church, and what the church expects out of them.

Seems to be working pretty well.

Furthermore, I do not know of a single church where the pastor does keep all the tithe, UPC, ALJC, or any other.

I have been UPCI for 45 years, grew up in this movement and so did my wife. We know many, many men who keep all the tithes and believe with all their heart that ALL the tithes belong them. Many of these men teach that "You WILL go to hell if you don't pay your tithes every week!!!" They had built the giving so high that they became even greedier. Over the last 10 years I have watched some of these men pull out of the UPCI so that they no longer have to pay a tenth to their local district.

Some of these same men have said that dress standards, t.v., babtism, and divorce (outside of adultary) are not heaven or hell issues.

The question did not specify a particular religion, but since this is an apostolic forum and UPCI thinks it is the holder of the Apostolic doctrine....I would be surprised to find a traditional UPCI church that doesn't teach that God requires tithes of his people every week/pay period.