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[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by DividedThigh

deer hunting isnt the only thing people do with guns, defending my family comes kind of natural to me also, along with serving my country, you have a great family, god bless you, take care of them brother, dt

1Co 2:14

"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."


DT, hope you are as cool as you act here with a gun while your family is under attack. Hope you don't pop a cap off in your groin when your weapon goes off while you and your love ones are in the thick of it.

I was around some hard individuals growing up, my friend talk is real cheap. My advice to you cowboy is to stick to shooting rabbits and get into some prayer so that Jesus Christ will protect your family. Because...except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain. My money is on Jesus Christ working His mighty power if my family and I were ever in a situation. The same power that casts out devils and binds Satan, is the same power that can bring us through Tribulation.

Come to think of that, you dudes and dudettes better be Pre Tribbers because if you are Post Tribs you better start moving out to the hills with the survivalists.

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Well at least I am happy that you could see the assinine point made. Though I exagerated it was to point out the fact that your point, though not as quite exagerated, it is none the less very much off center of balance.

Since you have shifted the issue a number of times, what issue would you like to discuss at this point?

Would you like to discuss the function of civil government as opposed to the function of the church?

Would you like to discuss the issue of protecting your family and loved ones by whatever means available including a gun?

Would you like to discuss governments going to war with deadly force?

Would you like to discuss Capital punishment?

Seems that I have followed rabbit trails all over the briar patch but have not been able to catch a rabbit yet. You will not stand still long enough.

What would you like to discuss?

Where have I shifted this? Brother, that is not true. I answered what you asked, and you never admit you are wrong...even when shown you are.

When are you going to answer my question about the children? And I am shifting?

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

1Co 2:14

"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."


DT, hope you are as cool as you act here with a gun while your family is under attack. Hope you don't pop a cap off in your groin when your weapon goes off while you and your love ones are in the thick of it.

I was around some hard individuals growing up, my friend talk is real cheap. My advice to you cowboy is to stick to shooting rabbits and get into some prayer so that Jesus Christ will protect your family. Because...except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain. My money is on Jesus Christ working His mighty power if my family and I were ever in a situation. The same power that casts out devils and binds Satan, is the same power that can bring us through Tribulation.

Come to think of that, you dudes and dudettes better be Pre Tribbers because if you are Post Tribs you better start moving out to the hills with the survivalists.

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

you make me laugh, i am not a cowboy, and you once again dont know me, lol, oh yeah and by the way i am older than you, i am 47, god bless you, i am not cool, just determined to take care of my own, dt

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Your approach is called “poisoning the well.” It makes for good argument in a court of law or for human reasoning, but is unacceptable evidence in biblical hermeneutics.

I wonder if they studied Hermaneutics in Munster . . .

But I digress.

Your entire dissertation is evidence of your ingratitude or obliviousness.

Righteousness, freedom, and virtue are worth fighting for.

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

I wonder if they studied Hermaneutics in Munster . . .

But I digress.

Your entire dissertation is evidence of your ingratitude or obliviousness.

Righteousness, freedom, and virtue are worth fighting for.

Amen.

It kind of leaves us who have offered to sacrificed life and blood for THEIR freedom but would not do the same for others, disheartened and disappointed.

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Where have I shifted this? Brother, that is not true. I answered what you asked, and you never admit you are wrong...even when shown you are.

When are you going to answer my question about the children? And I am shifting?

Man, I've answsered that at least four times already. You are not out of bed yet.

I said that capital punishment which involves death, is not a function of the church. It is the function of government under its own laws. God recognizes the law of the land since he is the one that ordained it.

You still don't get it?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

This little boat of consciencious pacifism and nonviolence has sailed this far only because it floats in a river of blood of the patriots. The practice and even attainment of the mindset of pacifism is a luxury bestowed upon its practitioners by men who knew that freedom of conscience and religion were worth dying for.

When you get over the romantics, let me help you with your choice of words. You were really looking for, "worth killing for".

Jesus' ministry is about persuasion and not force.

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

Christian pacifism has its roots in the Anabaptist tradition,

Oh, the same individuals who "died" for water baptism in full submersion?
Good choice Carl those individuals really "died" for their religion.

http://www.homecomers.org/mirror/

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

which early on had some serious P.R. issues to contend with. Some of the early Anabaptists went loony, conquered the town of Munster, and promoted polygamy and other such horseplay at the behest of "heavenly visions."

Then what are you saying Carl? Does this negate their stand on non-violence? Should we also negate other doctrines they held to such as water baptism fully submerged, baptism in Jesus name (done by SOME), and free will of man. Now, Brother Carl, so are you saying that a stance of non-retaliation was wrong because this certain group had some people go bad?
How long have you be in Pentecost?

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

This only lasted for a couple years, but their surviving contemporaries in the new movement of adult baptism, or re-baptism, needed to stress that they were completely devoid of dominion theology, and completely unlike those "Munsters," lest they be stamped out like the group at Munster was.

Brother Carl, they needed to stress that they were not into dominon theology because it was violent, so what's your point?

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

The cages in which the bodies of the tortured and executed ringleaders were allowed to rot still hang from the steeple of the church in Munster, Germany.

Was that supposed to be a good thing? What's your point?

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

The origins of Christian pacifism are reactionary in nature.

More like NON-reactionary.

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

Some may call it cowardice,

Was Jesus, the apostles, and Paul cowards?

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

and some may say it was the pragmatism of survival.

The New Testament the saints were to resist not evil, or repay evil with evil. If Jesus taught them to bare arms the Roman Empire would have rubbed them out. They grew because of the power the early Christians had in their example of prayer and being able to suffer. They grew from the blood of the martyrs. That's how they applied what they believed. We have no record of a Christian uprising against the Roman Empire. Nothing like you would have us believe with the rare case at Munster.

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

I would fight in the American Revolution or in the Confederate Army, if I were in those times.

Really?

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

Some things simply don't need explaining,

So you would only fight if we had a war brake out in your back yard?

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

or chapter and verse, to be acceptable practice. Brother Strange has very clearly and patiently shown this, and why.

I love Elder Strange, I can say that he has not proven a case for a Apostolic Pentecostal army, navy, air force, or marines. Or that Jesus and the apostles accepted the fact that they were going to defend themselves against attacking Jews, or Romans.

Brother Carl, do you carry a handgun?

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by DividedThigh

you make me laugh, i am not a cowboy, and you once again dont know me, lol, oh yeah and by the way i am older than you, i am 47, god bless you, i am not cool, just determined to take care of my own, dt

Then my question is this do you carry a weapon?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

I wonder if they studied Hermaneutics in Munster . . .

But I digress.

Your entire dissertation is evidence of your ingratitude or obliviousness.

Righteousness, freedom, and virtue are worth fighting for.

There you go Brother Carl, righteousness worth KILLING for?

Do you men see what you're typing? This is not some John Wayne ethic.
Jesus said turn the other cheek.

Righteousness:
Acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin

Jesus taught to not retaliate, not to repay evil with evil. How are you all truning the words of Christ around?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by DividedThigh

you make me laugh, i am not a cowboy, and you once again dont know me, lol, oh yeah and by the way i am older than you, i am 47, god bless you, i am not cool, just determined to take care of my own, dt

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